Re: (idm) This John Hartnell(or something like that) Guy
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quoted 1 line I was perusing the new age section of Blockbuster 'Music'>I was perusing the new age section of Blockbuster 'Music'
Yikes!
quoted 3 lines the other day and I came across this CD from some poofy headed feeb named>the other day and I came across this CD from some poofy headed feeb named
>John Hartnell or Jimmy Buttcheek or some thing...
>I can recall and I wish I had written it down.
I think it is "Steven Halpern"
quoted 3 lines The CD was called, ehhh, Ambient Trancendences or some shit.>
>The CD was called, ehhh, Ambient Trancendences or some shit.
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Yuck! I've seen it though, and I know what you mean....
quoted 4 lines The thing about it is this:>The thing about it is this:
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>The comments on the back claimed he 'invented' ambient music long before
>Eno ever accepted the term...
Dunno about that.... I think Erik Satie really invented ambient music as
such, I mean, not invented it as much as decided that music could and
should be used to directly emulate, simulate, or duplicate a given
environment. Study up on his reasoning behind his "Gymnopedies", or give
them a listen or six, and you might see what I mean. Other avant gardists
actually used ambient sound events like tapes of street souns and birds and
such a long time ago (John Cage did this a ton, and so did countless
others... even Yoko Ono, if you can believe that). Karlheinz Stockhausen
was making stuff that sounded a bit like Eno before Eno, and so were other
classical electronic experimentalists. So I guess Eno didn't so much invent
something as give a name to it and declare officially that it could and
should count as "music". Before Eno, to put it another way, no one thought
of calling this music "ambient", nor had anyone thought of any parameters
that defined "ambient" music. Steven Halpern, this new age yuppie idiot
certainly didn't even do that now... I've never read any essays on the
effects of "unlocking" notes or anything by Halpern... but I have by
Eno.... as far as I am concerned, who cares if this yuppie guy was fooling
around with synthesisers like so many others were doing in some way or
another before Eno?
quoted 1 line I don't want to argue the point of who did or did not 'invent' anything...>I don't want to argue the point of who did or did not 'invent' anything...
Yes, let's not. As i stated above, countless people were doing this stuff
at pretty much the same time, and, who cares who invented what anyway?
quoted 2 lines It just made me wonder if this was not like someone claiming to have>It just made me wonder if this was not like someone claiming to have
>'invented' the color blue. Blue just IS.
Well, now, blue is a color, but a painting using the color blue is an
invention of sorts... ambience is a thing, but ambience in music, well, I'd
think that is an invention....
quoted 2 lines I figure his music must suck so he has to find a credential elsewhere.>I figure his music must suck so he has to find a credential elsewhere.
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I bet it does, but I don't intend to ever find out for certain....
quoted 2 lines Didnt buy it.>Didnt buy it.
>Probably won't.
Good idea.