That may depend, but i for one just found the Pioneer dvd drive on my
newish computer was able to play the good track on a tip records
compilation from 1997 or something that my wastoid friend had scratched
to hell. all is well here
quoted 203 lines So what will people listen to in a technocracy?
> So what will people listen to in a technocracy?
>
>
>
>> 1. humanity is forked
>> 2. we have squeezed in to the forking best most awesomest fraction of it,
>> ie this computer is pretty cool
>> 3. i hope my kids believe in god because they better start forking praying
>> 4. put on a record or something u guys are depressing me
>>
>> np ozzy revelation (mother earth)
>>
>>
>> I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this
>>
>>> would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic.
>>> And i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to
>>> be snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status
>>> symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up
>>> all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a
>>> earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future
>>> for all join me here:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh
>>>
>>> Long live the metavirus,
>>> zaq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
>>>> From: cexwell@gmail.com
>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>
>>>> the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way
>>>> they
>>>> are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil to
>>>> run
>>>> out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than the
>>>> extracted oil would provide.
>>>>
>>>> without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its current
>>>> level.
>>>>
>>>> those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system and
>>>>> how
>>>>> it
>>>>> doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the fractional
>>>>> reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit third-world
>>>>> countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a
>>>>> resource based economy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional reserve
>>>>> explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and resource
>>>>> economies
>>>>> don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the fraction
>>>>> reserve monetary system is the best we can get?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the input,
>>>>>
>>>>> zaq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
>>>>>> From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie
>>>>>> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm@hyperreal.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shite
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp>
>>>>>> To: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> merits -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> interesting..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> end
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
>>>>>> To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> have a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> bias. In that case I will ignore you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for being clear,
>>>>>> zaq
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
>>>>>>> From: rick@glowdot.com
>>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> thing
>>>>>> used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
>>>>>>> ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> why.
>>>>>>
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