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Gonzi 'Fresh' Merchan
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Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:58:20 -0700
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Re: (idm) bjerk
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quoted 4 lines criticism can only be metered on one thing and one thing alone, the music, that's why> criticism can only be metered on one thing and one thing alone, the music, that's why > it's presumptuous for gonzi to attack bjork's album without hearing it first, gonz cites > cylob as an counter-example of an artist producing music in the way he thinks it ‘should > be done’
I love it. This is like playing telephone - every time someone repeats it back it sounds different. The point I I was trying to make was that Bjork does her tracks one way and Cylob does his another and that I think Cylob deserves more credit for the end product than Bjork does. This has nothing to do with the whole Mainstream vs. Underground debate, it is simply an opinion based on their working methods (as i understand them). BTW, before this whole thread gets started up again let me say that I understand some list members have different opinions, but I just want to re-state what I originally meant to say as it seems to have been lost somewhere along the line and turned into something it was never intended to be.
quoted 2 lines the problem most people like gonzi have with bjork's music is that it [can not] be> the problem most people like gonzi have with bjork's music is that it [can not] be > romantizied about, financed by a major label & worked on by a host of hired hands
hmmm. people 'like' me? There have been fortunes made by those romanticizing the music of Elvis, the Beatles, The Beach Boys etc. There's never been a conflict between romance and capital in music as far as I can discern.
quoted 2 lines it could only be a good> it could only be a good > thing that the music of ‘underground’ producers is reaching the ‘overground’ market.
I wonder what you're basing this opinion on? Did punk, grunge or any of the other genres recently thrust into the mainstream benefit from the attention? That is to say, was better music produced because of the genres move into the 'overground'? Most music fans would say no, if anything worse music was produced by a flood of imitators trying to cash in.
quoted 2 lines rephlex retains the same subtle approach to cultural appropriation within an admittedly> rephlex retains the same subtle approach to cultural appropriation within an admittedly > more micro-cosmic specialist market
Oh please. Goon, Matt Jones and DMX are not the way one seems 'with it' in today's IDM world (if the opinions of the list members are any indication). Cultural appropriation or having a laugh with your mates? You be the judge. Or should they be taking their cues from those boys up north as every other label in our genre seems to be these days?
quoted 1 line play it safe with the media friendly ‘wackyness’ of sam & valley .> play it safe with the media friendly ‘wackyness’ of sam & valley .
hehe, ADK will be happy to hear that. I'm sure his phone has been ringing off the hook from the press calling for interviews.
quoted 1 line bjorks work stands tall or falls down on the music alone, not the peripherals> bjorks work stands tall or falls down on the music alone, not the peripherals
I suppose those magazine covers and profiles of her wacky self the elf never fit into the equation, eh? In an ideal world all music would stand or fall based on the sounds alone. This is not an ideal world. gnz.