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2008-10-20 22:37Göran Sandström [idm] I feel like quitting....
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├─ 2008-10-21 02:44Nevyn Nowhere Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
├─ 2008-10-21 08:54Zombiefly Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ ├─ 2008-10-21 10:09Frans Enmark Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ │ └─ 2008-10-21 10:29David Newman RE: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ └─ 2008-10-21 11:23Basma O Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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├─ 2008-10-21 12:36Göran Sandström Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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│ ├─ 2008-10-21 22:34Tim Walters Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ ├─ 2008-10-21 22:49Mantrakid Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ ├─ 2008-10-22 23:09Brandon Tallent Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ └─ 2008-10-24 17:52Shannon Oram Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links]
│ └─ 2008-10-25 15:58Eric Sorenson Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links]
│ ├─ 2008-10-25 16:02Rjyan Kadwallader Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links]
│ └─ 2008-10-27 20:46Shannon Oram Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links]
│ ├─ 2008-10-27 06:37Eric Sorenson Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links]
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└─ 2008-10-21 21:53Wallace Winfrey Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
2008-10-20 23:21John Diliberto Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
├─ 2008-10-20 23:29Rjyan Kadwallader Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
├─ 2008-10-20 23:36Gel-Sol Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
│ └─ 2008-10-21 00:19Tim Walters Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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└─ 2008-10-21 02:49Nevyn Nowhere Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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2008-10-20 23:53Göran Sandström re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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└─ 2008-10-21 00:08Jeremy Bible Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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2008-10-21 13:12Göran Sandström Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
├─ 2008-10-21 15:01John Diliberto [idm] Robert Schroder's Galaxie Cygnus-A revisited on Echoes
│ └─ 2008-10-21 16:28Tim Walters Re: [idm] Robert Schroder's Galaxie Cygnus-A revisited on Echoes
│ └─ 2008-10-21 22:00John Diliberto Re: [idm] Robert Schroder's Galaxie Cygnus-A revisited on Echoes
└─ 2008-10-21 16:14Brandon Tallent Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
└─ 2008-10-24 13:09Max & Mark RE: [idm] I feel like quitting....
2008-10-21 22:10Nevyn Nowhere Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....
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2008-10-20 22:37Göran SandströmMy track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD
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My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-20 22:40Gel-SolIf you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for th
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If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for the wrong reason. I would highly suggest not quitting. Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 33 lines From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2008-10-20 22:55Mark SchieldropAgree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? The winner usually
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Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? The winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack contests or get a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. - Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for the wrong reason. I would highly suggest not quitting. Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 33 lines From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2008-10-20 22:55Lorenzo BologniniOn Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: > My t
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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have > I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen > to it anyway?
I second Gel-Sol suggestion. You should make tunes for yourself... like Aphex claims he does in some "russian" interview up on Youtube ;-) I just started making tunes myself and i'm having loads of fun even if i can already tell i'll never get as good as you guys. That said your track shares some of the atmosphere with my fav track right now: "You and I" by Pangaea http://www.myspace.com/journeytopangaea Regarding your track in the specific, my personal opinion is that you should slim down the sounds: there's too many going around. But hey, this is my first "track"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcs46IuHY7Y ... so you see where the comment comes from ;-) L.
2008-10-21 00:56aaronas@yahoo.comshiiiit some of the shit I've made is phenomenal, do you think anybody gives a fuck? in re
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shiiiit some of the shit I've made is phenomenal, do you think anybody gives a fuck? in reality we have to make music for ourselves or it's just not worth the effort, don't quit your dayjob   --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... To: idm@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:37 PM My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2008-10-21 01:06joshua.if anyone on here was making music for anyone other than themselves they wouldn't be makin
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if anyone on here was making music for anyone other than themselves they wouldn't be making IDM. i don't really think anyone should be making music for anyone else, OR for themselves, they should just be making it if they're compelled to. if it gets out into the world and people enjoy it, or even better, wanna give you money for it... well that's just an added bonus. you should be making music because the alternative is... i dunno, shooting up an american apparel. joshua. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:56 PM, <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 47 lines shiiiit> shiiiit > > some of the shit I've made is phenomenal, do you think anybody gives a > fuck? > > in reality we have to make music for ourselves or it's just not worth the > effort, don't quit your dayjob > > > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: > From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:37 PM > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >
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2008-10-21 02:44Nevyn NowhereMusical quality and promotion are entirely different things. People will buy a sack of shi
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Musical quality and promotion are entirely different things. People will buy a sack of shit, if you spin the story that makes them think it smells pretty. People can hear/see/touch something more beautiful than they've ever seen... and not get it unless their friend/pack/group/scene tells them it is. Most people nowadays seem to listen to music more as a means of connecting with people than for any intrinsic musical value. Many folks also don't know what they like until someone tells them they should like this or that. But fuckit. If you love what you're doing sure it can get you down from time to time... but hey, you love what you're doing right? So you keep doing it. And what happens happens. Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humas PS: Human Canvas Project pictures are UP! Yes, that means there is not only free music on my website, but also naked girls! human art! Video projections! white humans! Whatever angle of truth makes you go look! =P On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote:
quoted 24 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
2008-10-21 08:54Zombieflypersonally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really care what others
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personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a listen when i return home from work. 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>
quoted 24 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
2008-10-21 10:09Frans EnmarkYou should never care when people don't like your music, it's nearly impossible but you sh
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You should never care when people don't like your music, it's nearly impossible but you should try. When they love your music though, you should soak it in and feel encouraged. And you should only read the good reviews you're getting. It's a lot less likely that people will like what you do than the other way around. I like about 1% of the music out there, and I don't think im unique with that. So people disliking stuff isn't very unexpected. They probably like what you loathe anyway so it's no big deal. It's very hard to not care about the negativities but you should always try to ignore it. And if you really can't stand poll results and stuff like that, don't enter. Keep on truckin, /Frans, Plod On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 34 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really > care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while > creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The > majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer > your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a > listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes >> in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell >> have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to >> listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the >> most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) >> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >
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2008-10-21 10:29David NewmanI agree Why enter? Appreciation of music is so subjective - make sounds you enjoy - anythi
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I agree Why enter? Appreciation of music is so subjective - make sounds you enjoy - anything else is a bonus. David Newman A U D I O B U L B R E C O R D S www.audiobulb.com www.audiobulb.com/ab-shop.htm -----Original Message----- From: Frans Enmark [mailto:fenmark@gmail.com] Sent: 21 October 2008 11:09 To: Zombiefly Cc: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... You should never care when people don't like your music, it's nearly impossible but you should try. When they love your music though, you should soak it in and feel encouraged. And you should only read the good reviews you're getting. It's a lot less likely that people will like what you do than the other way around. I like about 1% of the music out there, and I don't think im unique with that. So people disliking stuff isn't very unexpected. They probably like what you loathe anyway so it's no big deal. It's very hard to not care about the negativities but you should always try to ignore it. And if you really can't stand poll results and stuff like that, don't enter. Keep on truckin, /Frans, Plod On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 17 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't > really care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment > for me while creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you > never will. The majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, > which could answer your question.... don't be disheartened though.. > I'll give your track a listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least >> votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the >> hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody >> wants to listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got >> the most votes, I think his music sucks: >> http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's
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quoted 17 lines FLAC of my track: >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional >> commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >
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2008-10-21 11:23Basma Osending love.. i know how it feels :( as a designer for 10 years got in a competition and
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sending love.. i know how it feels :( as a designer for 10 years got in a competition and when it was time to announce, the most mainstream (in my opinion silliest!) design made it to the first place! i breath eat sleep dream meditate design , i was frustrated... but i realised that what i had in mind was different than what the MASSES wanted.. they all liked mine, but it just didnt work for mainstream... recognition is something we seek indeed, but sometimes it is a test... KEEP THE FAITH, focus on your enjoyment and discourse, and try not to be attached... unfortunately, internet surveys and polls are NOT a measure... dont be fooled... its hard times for real artists these days... (by real i mean, the Truth Path takers if you happen to be one) cheer up, make a track to express your frustration in a contrast sake as an excersize or something or just take a break ;p all love, b- idm lover. p.s. i couldnt hear the flac here! but i will from home to check it... p.s.s there are many other possibilities too, maybe your music is progressive? not understood? i say see the opportunity in this mate and give your self a break... cheers.. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 35 lines personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really> personally speaking, i've only ever made music for myself. I don't really > care what others think of it as it's all about the enjoyment for me while > creating. IMO if you are trying to please others then you never will. The > majority of users on waffles/what.cd are NOT into IDM, which could answer > your question.... don't be disheartened though.. I'll give your track a > listen when i return home from work. > > 2008/10/20 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least > votes > > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > > listen to it anyway? > > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk(IMO) > > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > > > Göran Sandström > > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >
2008-10-21 10:48n3wjack2008/10/21 Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > My track, retrospective was just o
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quoted 18 lines My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > >
a) Don't kill yourself. You are not your music. You'll live. b) Internet polls suck. Don't trust em. It's about who has most (hacker) friends. c) That guys tunes don't suck imo but they aren't awesome either though. d) Your stuff I like better, because it reminds me (a lot) of Squarepusher. Maybe that's a problem. I never feel like buying tunes from a copy if I can get the original. Developing your own style is mandatory if you want to be distinguished as an artists. Teebee (dnb) started out as a Photek rip-off, but he developed his own style along the way, making him unique. I remember some guy on a dnb production list who made excellent Photek tunes. Problem was nobody is interested in selling Photek tunes, unlesss they come from Photek. Making music that you think is good, and are proud of is the best way to go IMO. Aphex Twin, Squarepusher, Autechre (I had to drop this one in, it's the IDM list after all) and Venetian Snares wouldn't be producing the tracks they are if they would have made what was popular at the moment, instead of their own take of it. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station
2008-10-21 12:36Göran SandströmThanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've started going
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Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented and by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not already living of doing tv-jingles. It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it would be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people around me. Cheers Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to listen to it anyway? I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ xihilisk (IMO) Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- _Retrospective.flac I just feel like killing myself right now... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-21 12:53Sherrin VargheseHey Goran We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it is bette
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Hey Goran We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it is better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his is bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a link.. etc... *Follow your heart, somebody on the [idm] list might kill ur friend for you, releaving you of your suicide tendencies... *Cheers* * On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote:
quoted 52 lines Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've> Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, I've > started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented and > by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not already > living of doing tv-jingles. > It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really > talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it would > be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there > wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, > something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever > kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people > around me. > Cheers > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2008-10-21 22:10wownflutterI would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love
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2008-10-21 22:34Tim Walters> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of > your work. I
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quoted 3 lines I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of > your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love > crunchy beats and experimentation.
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2008-10-21 22:49MantrakidI want to share this with you guys primarily since I've been on this list since before I e
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I want to share this with you guys primarily since I've been on this list since before I ever took myself somewhat seriously, and have much respect for the many who have come and gone over the past 10 years sharing their music, advice, stories, etc. Have a listen if you like, if not - whatever. I've included the photoshop artwork as well in case you like to print off your own copies and sell them on the black market. Let me know if you make a decent living off my music so I might live vicariously through you. Check out some samples at: http://www.neferiu.com/releases/nef115.php Download the complete album at: http://www.neferiu.com/releases/mantrakid-palmflowerblack.zip Also, don't spread it on waffles... unless you think it's best for me. Nate Neferiu Records | www.neferiu.com | Nate Schmold Contact Us | info@neferiu.com | 1.888.281.4220 (Ext. 2) New Shit | Mantrakid: Palmflowerblack | Mantrakid.com On 21-Oct-08, at 3:10 PM, wownflutter wrote: I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. Post some links, and thanks! wnf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-22 23:09Brandon Tallent> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I lo
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quoted 3 lines I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. > > Post some links, and thanks!
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2008-10-24 17:52Shannon OramThis is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And it's only two minutes long
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This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And it's only two minutes long at that. I'm a bit out of practice. http://www.anothersmallclue.com/music/VAM-Defuse.mp3 ATM most of my time gets taken up by work on this.. http://www.anothersmallclue.com/poise.php I've not been a member of this list for that long so it's been good to listen to some music by the people on here. - Shannon wownflutter wrote:
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2008-10-25 15:58Eric SorensonThis is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work into setting up the p
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This is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work into setting up the percussion-y clicks and they kind of lead the song along with the swelling pads supporting them but never getting in the way. Bravo -=Eric On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Shannon Oram wrote:
quoted 32 lines This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And> This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And > it's only two minutes long at that. I'm a bit out of practice. > > http://www.anothersmallclue.com/music/VAM-Defuse.mp3 > > ATM most of my time gets taken up by work on this.. > > http://www.anothersmallclue.com/poise.php > > > I've not been a member of this list for that long so it's been good > to listen to some music by the people on here. > > > - Shannon > > > wownflutter wrote: >> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to >> some of your work. I love listening to original artists... being >> that I love crunchy beats and experimentation. >> Post some links, and thanks! >> wnf >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2008-10-25 16:02Rjyan Kadwalladerooh ooh my turn http://tigerbeat6.com/cex/audio/ebfed/
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2008-10-27 20:46Shannon OramCheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online? Eric Sorenson wrote: > Thi
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Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online? Eric Sorenson wrote:
quoted 44 lines This is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work> This is very nice, thanks for sharing. You clearly put a lot of work > into setting up the percussion-y clicks and they kind of lead the song > along with the swelling pads supporting them but never getting in the > way. Bravo > > -=Eric > > > On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Shannon Oram wrote: > >> This is the first song I've finished in close to two years. And it's >> only two minutes long at that. I'm a bit out of practice. >> >> http://www.anothersmallclue.com/music/VAM-Defuse.mp3 >> >> ATM most of my time gets taken up by work on this.. >> >> http://www.anothersmallclue.com/poise.php >> >> >> I've not been a member of this list for that long so it's been good to >> listen to some music by the people on here. >> >> >> - Shannon >> >> >> wownflutter wrote: >>> I would love to have all folks weighing in on this post links to some >>> of your work. I love listening to original artists... being that I >>> love crunchy beats and experimentation. >>> Post some links, and thanks! >>> wnf >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >
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2008-10-27 06:37Eric SorensonOn Oct 27, 2008, at 1:46 PM, Shannon Oram wrote: > Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do y
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quoted 3 lines Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online?> Cheers Eric. Thanks for listening. Do you have anything online? > >
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2008-10-30 02:09aaronas@yahoo.comSome of the best work I've done has been in the realm of General MIDI files, hopefully you
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Some of the best work I've done has been in the realm of General MIDI files, hopefully your soundcard has a good set of GM Patches to play the songs http://phantasystar09.tripod.com enjoy, ranges from idm'ish to totally experimental electronic, (among other things)
2008-10-30 02:28aaronas@yahoo.comthe tracks seem to work best on soundblaster cards --- On Wed, 10/29/08, aaronas@yahoo.com
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the tracks seem to work best on soundblaster cards   --- On Wed, 10/29/08, aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> wrote: From: aaronas@yahoo.com <aaronas@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting....[Links] To: idm@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:09 PM Some of the best work I've done has been in the realm of General MIDI files, hopefully your soundcard has a good set of GM Patches to play the songs http://phantasystar09.tripod.com enjoy, ranges from idm'ish to totally experimental electronic, (among other things)
2008-10-21 21:53Wallace WinfreyYou should definitely not quit making music simply because a track did poorly in a what.cd
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You should definitely not quit making music simply because a track did poorly in a what.cd contest. As the old saying goes, there's no accounting for taste, and if you're going to make art/music, you have to be prepared for criticism, even if it's harsh, misguided and unfounded. There was an article in Pitchfork this summer (yeah, yeah, I know), a "The month in techno" article by Philip Sherburne, and he solicited "manifestos" from a number of different producers: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/142152-the-month-in-techno My favorite piece of advice, by far, was this one by Professor Genius: "Before that track you just made goes out into the world, ask yourself: have you just made something that would knock you out if someone else was the author? Would you need to own it and listen to it again? Or does it just blend in with everything else out there (ho hum)?" I think this is a pretty simple (yet demanding) rule that would go a long way towards improving anyone's music. It also solves the dilemma of making music for yourself versus making music for other people. Don't make shit music for yourself, make music for yourself that blows you away personally. If you find yourself unable to enjoy your own music or think of it in those terms, then perhaps you should find another hobby. cheers w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-20 23:21John DilibertoAt 06:40 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote: >If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about
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quoted 2 lines If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music,>If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, >then yer doing it for the wrong reason.
I would suggest that if you don't "give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music" then you should think about another profession/avocation. The ivory tower, art for art's sake philosophy went down the tubes decades ago. If your tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, it indeed, does not make a sound. And music is nothing if not sound. Anyone who suggests they only make music for themselves is either disingenuous or full of the worst kind of hubris.
quoted 1 line I would highly suggest not quitting.>I would highly suggest not quitting.
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2008-10-20 23:29Rjyan Kadwalladerare you even certain you COULD quit? if yr idm habit is more than a few years old it's pro
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are you even certain you COULD quit? if yr idm habit is more than a few years old it's probably too late, increase yr dosage or try to find a real pure cut and you'll feel better
2008-10-20 23:36Gel-SolWhat the hell was I thinking? You better just quit. When I write something, I only care wh
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What the hell was I thinking? You better just quit. When I write something, I only care what I think about it. If someone likes it, then that's an added bonus. If someone hates it, then that's an added bonus. "Music Made for You...and By You, I Mean Me." That's my slogan BTW, don't steal it. Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> wrote:
quoted 54 lines From: John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org>> From: John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 4:21 PM > At 06:40 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote: > >If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about > yer music, > >then yer doing it for the wrong reason. > I would suggest that if you don't "give a shit > about what anyone else > thinks about yer music" then you should think about > another > profession/avocation. The ivory tower, art for art's > sake philosophy > went down the tubes decades ago. If your tree falls in a > forest and > no one hears it, it indeed, does not make a sound. And > music is > nothing if not sound. Anyone who suggests they only make > music for > themselves is either disingenuous or full of the worst kind > of hubris. > > >I would highly suggest not quitting. > I'd think about it, but I certainly wouldn't > suggest killing yourself. > > > > > John Diliberto > ((( (((echoes))) ))) > Producer/Host > 1-610-827-9600 > > Read the Echoes Blog-Hear Echoes 24/7-Sign up for Echoes > Interview > Podcast, go to echoesspace > http://www.echoes.org > > Mail To: > Echoes > P.O. Box 256 > Chester Springs, PA 19425 > Ship to: > Echoes > 1709 Art School Rd. > Chester Springs, PA 19425 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2008-10-21 00:19Tim WaltersMy thoughts, for what they're worth: Everybody gets bad reviews. Beethoven, John Coltrane,
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My thoughts, for what they're worth: Everybody gets bad reviews. Beethoven, John Coltrane, the Beatles, me, you. When you release something to the public, it's no longer "making music for yourself." That doesn't mean you should make music you don't want to make because you think people will like it--they'd rather hear it from someone who means it--but it does mean that you should only release things you can stand behind, and that you made for the music's sake and not for yours. You should be making music just for fun. Jam with friends, join an amateur choir, noodle with your gear without recording, whatever. If you only make music for release, you'll find it very hard to know when you're just indulging yourself. Once you internalize this attitude, you'll find that uninformed criticism rolls off your back, while informed criticism is welcome despite the pain. -- Tim Walters | http://doubtfulpalace.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-21 01:00aaronas@yahoo.comif they truly do make music for ONLY themselves, they are in a blissful state of hubris th
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if they truly do make music for ONLY themselves, they are in a blissful state of hubris that we musicians who have gotten too entangled in our egos and forgot the blissfulness of what it was like when we were new to music AND making it just for ourselves, (if you never went through that period, and truly got into music FOR other people at the start, well then, fuck you, truly) I would LOVE to be back in the blissful state when I first started making tracks where the only objective was to please myself with what I could come up with, due to human ego, that's impossible now, the best I can do it find a palatable middle path ~A   --- On Mon, 10/20/08, John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> wrote: From: John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... To: idm@hyperreal.org Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 5:21 PM At 06:40 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote:
quoted 2 lines If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music,>If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, >then yer doing it for the wrong reason.
I would suggest that if you don't "give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music" then you should think about another profession/avocation. The ivory tower, art for art's sake philosophy went down the tubes decades ago. If your tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, it indeed, does not make a sound. And music is nothing if not sound. Anyone who suggests they only make music for themselves is either disingenuous or full of the worst kind of hubris.
quoted 1 line I would highly suggest not quitting.>I would highly suggest not quitting.
I'd think about it, but I certainly wouldn't suggest killing yourself. John Diliberto ((( (((echoes))) ))) Producer/Host 1-610-827-9600 Read the Echoes Blog-Hear Echoes 24/7-Sign up for Echoes Interview Podcast, go to echoesspace http://www.echoes.org Mail To: Echoes P.O. Box 256 Chester Springs, PA 19425 Ship to: Echoes 1709 Art School Rd. Chester Springs, PA 19425 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2008-10-21 02:49Nevyn NowhereOn Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> wrote: > At 06:40 PM 10
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On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, John Diliberto <johnd@echoes.org> wrote:
quoted 8 lines At 06:40 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote:> At 06:40 PM 10/20/2008, you wrote: > >> If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer >> doing it for the wrong reason. >> > I would suggest that if you don't "give a shit about what anyone else > thinks about yer music" then you should think about another > profession/avocation.
That is one extreme. Caring too much is another. Sure, care about getting your music heard, if you're making it. But don't make it for someone else, unless you want to just use skills and not personal creativity (but hey, much more likely to get paid decently). Don't make your music thinking about what will sell; make your music then find a way to sell it. IF you want to be creative. If you just want money, don't try to make your own sound; fit into a genre, have a look, get a buzz, etc. Or get a "job" in the industry.
quoted 6 lines The ivory tower, art for art's sake philosophy went down the tubes decades> The ivory tower, art for art's sake philosophy went down the tubes decades > ago. If your tree falls in a forest and no one hears it, it indeed, does > not make a sound. And music is nothing if not sound. Anyone who suggests > they only make music for themselves is either disingenuous or full of the > worst kind of hubris. >
Music is a hell of a lot more than just sound. Emotion/vibration/taste/connection/communication/style/etc the list goes on and on. Hell, some music is more4 about the absences of sound than where the sound is placed. Anyone who suggests they make music for themselves is saying that music is also personal healing/therapy/growth/understanding of self et al. And the're saying that's WHY you make it, not all you think about. I would highly suggest not quitting.
quoted 2 lines I'd think about it, but I certainly wouldn't suggest killing yourself.>> > I'd think about it, but I certainly wouldn't suggest killing yourself.
Meh, if people only want to make music because of others, I'd suggest they do quit. Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happyhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humans
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2008-10-21 04:58Esa Ruoho2008/10/21 Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com> > Anyone who suggests they make music fo
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quoted 3 lines Anyone who suggests they make music for themselves is saying that music is> Anyone who suggests they make music for themselves is saying that music is > also personal healing/therapy/growth/understanding of self et al. And > the're saying that's WHY you make it, not all you think about.
what he said a what.cd poll, ehh. sounds great, now that you've got the results, time to go hang yourself. you know, i never gave a shit about placing well in polls or competitions. especially after tracks like starcell u.k. that placed 9th (this'd be 3rd last, 2nd last or last) in weekly tracking competitions, got released multiple times on vinyl / cd, and liked by people who actually listen to music instead of judging it by its amount of tracker effects invoked on every channel on every row of every pattern. seriously, work yourself with your tracks, if you dont know how by now, just give up. ya fucking drama queen p.s. göran ur a fuckin twat p.p.s. that other guy with the "yeah if you do music for yourself, you're a right ivory tower bastard" -opinion, you've never made anything, you don't know what making music for yourself DOES DO to yourself. p.p.p.s. the guy who spoke about blissfull state of making music and getting rid of the ego -- and of the songmaking process being interrupted by "what will people think of this" type stuff, you've nailed it spot on. some of us first spend time learning to do stuff, then spend time learning to not think about labelbosses, reviewers or anyone else, yearning for that state of blissful freedom of just having some fun. and its fucking annoying. if there's something written about abandoning outside interests after you've gotten used to reading reviews, i'd like to read it. göran you're on your way to not being able to do any music, very soon, and then the poll voters will have won. so either suicide or egocide, take your pick -- :) I GoodSearch for Wilhelm Reich Infant Trust Foundation (Rangeley, Maine) by using http://www.goodsearch.com/ . Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet or shopping online with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
2008-10-20 23:53Göran SandströmActually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is in actuallity the guy
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Actually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is in actuallity the guy that got the most votes... Talk about rigged... Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/Veqtor 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.55 skrev Mark Schieldrop: Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? The winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack contests or get a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. - Mark -----Original Message----- From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer doing it for the wrong reason. I would highly suggest not quitting. Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 33 lines From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > the least > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > does... Why the > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > I nobody > wants to listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > guy who got > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2008-10-20 23:54jRicKfukem On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Göran Sandström wrote: > Actually I just found out that
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fukem On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Göran Sandström wrote:
quoted 97 lines Actually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is in> Actually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is in > actuallity the guy that got the most votes... > Talk about rigged... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.55 skrev Mark Schieldrop: > > Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? > The > winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack contests > or get > a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. > > - Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström > Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > > If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then > yer > doing it for the wrong reason. > > I would highly suggest not quitting. > > Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) > > Yer Pal, > Gel-Sol > www.gel-sol.com > > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: > >> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> >> Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got >> the least >> votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it >> does... Why the >> hell have I been making music for more than half of my life >> I nobody >> wants to listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the >> guy who got >> the most votes, I think his music sucks: >> http://www.myspace.com/ >> xihilisk (IMO) >> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2008-10-21 00:08Jeremy BibleIt can be a very difficult thing to do....but it is probably the most important thing to d
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It can be a very difficult thing to do....but it is probably the most important thing to do as an artist.... when your making a creative work of any kind...your mind needs to be free of the thought "will people like it" or you risk losing all sense of purity and self. -- Jeremy Bible --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experimedia - record label + mailorder shop + a/v arts (est.2000) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- experimedia.net jeremybible.com jbjh.experimedia.net myspace.com/experimedia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Experimedia online shop is now carrying releases from: 12k/line|Room40|Dragon's Eye|Non Visual Objects|Audiobulb Spekk|and/OAR|Gears of Sand|*Nexsound|*1000füssler --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM, jRicK <jrick@jrick.com> wrote:
quoted 106 lines fukem> fukem > > On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Göran Sandström wrote: > >> Actually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is in >> actuallity the guy that got the most votes... >> Talk about rigged... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.55 skrev Mark Schieldrop: >> >> Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, anyway? The >> winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack contests or >> get >> a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. >> >> - Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström >> Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >> >> If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then yer >> doing it for the wrong reason. >> >> I would highly suggest not quitting. >> >> Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) >> >> Yer Pal, >> Gel-Sol >> www.gel-sol.com >> >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote: >> >>> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> >>> Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM >>> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got >>> the least >>> votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >>> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it >>> does... Why the >>> hell have I been making music for more than half of my life >>> I nobody >>> wants to listen to it anyway? >>> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the >>> guy who got >>> the most votes, I think his music sucks: >>> http://www.myspace.com/ >>> xihilisk (IMO) >>> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >>> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >>> >>> _Retrospective.flac >>> >>> I just feel like killing myself right now... >>> >>> Göran Sandström >>> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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Yea, but by that rationale, you have no grounds to stand on if you decide to start complaining that nobody is buying your CD or voting on your track in a worthless internet survey. Neferiu Records | www.neferiu.com | Nate Schmold Contact Us | info@neferiu.com | 1.888.281.4220 (Ext. 2) New Shit | Mantrakid: Palmflowerblack | Mantrakid.com On 20-Oct-08, at 5:08 PM, Jeremy Bible wrote: It can be a very difficult thing to do....but it is probably the most important thing to do as an artist.... when your making a creative work of any kind...your mind needs to be free of the thought "will people like it" or you risk losing all sense of purity and self. -- Jeremy Bible --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Experimedia - record label + mailorder shop + a/v arts (est.2000) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- experimedia.net jeremybible.com jbjh.experimedia.net myspace.com/experimedia --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Experimedia online shop is now carrying releases from: 12k/line|Room40|Dragon's Eye|Non Visual Objects|Audiobulb Spekk|and/OAR|Gears of Sand|*Nexsound|*1000füssler --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:54 PM, jRicK <jrick@jrick.com> wrote:
quoted 111 lines fukem> fukem > > On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Göran Sandström wrote: > >> Actually I just found out that the guy who's holding the contest is >> in >> actuallity the guy that got the most votes... >> Talk about rigged... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.55 skrev Mark Schieldrop: >> >> Agree completely. Who gives a crap about some internet survey, >> anyway? The >> winner usually is the one with the most friends who can hack >> contests or >> get >> a whole bunch of discussion forum wankers on a voting spree. >> >> - Mark >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gel-Sol [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:41 PM >> To: idm@hyperreal.org; Göran Sandström >> Subject: Re: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >> >> If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, >> then yer >> doing it for the wrong reason. >> >> I would highly suggest not quitting. >> >> Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) >> >> Yer Pal, >> Gel-Sol >> www.gel-sol.com >> >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> >> wrote: >> >>> From: Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> >>> Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM >>> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got >>> the least >>> votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >>> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it >>> does... Why the >>> hell have I been making music for more than half of my life >>> I nobody >>> wants to listen to it anyway? >>> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the >>> guy who got >>> the most votes, I think his music sucks: >>> http://www.myspace.com/ >>> xihilisk (IMO) >>> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >>> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >>> >>> _Retrospective.flac >>> >>> I just feel like killing myself right now... >>> >>> Göran Sandström >>> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2008-10-21 02:20ytbmusic@gmail.comagreed. if we all wanted to make music that everyone loved then we'd all make smooth jazz.
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agreed. if we all wanted to make music that everyone loved then we'd all make smooth jazz. as a label-mate i suggest not quitting. besides, none of us could quit. we need the eggs. justin yellow then blue On Oct 20, 2008 3:40pm, Gel-Sol <gelsol@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 1 line If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then> If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then
yer doing it for the wrong reason.
quoted 111 lines I would highly suggest not quitting.> > > > I would highly suggest not quitting. > > > > Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) > > > > Yer Pal, > > Gel-Sol > > www.gel-sol.com > > > > > > --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström wrote: > > > > > From: Göran Sandström > > > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... > > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got > > > the least > > > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > > > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it > > > does... Why the > > > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life > > > I nobody > > > wants to listen to it anyway? > > > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the > > > guy who got > > > the most votes, I think his music sucks: > > > http://www.myspace.com/ > > > xihilisk (IMO) > > > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > > > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > > > > > > _Retrospective.flac > > > > > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > > > > > Göran Sandström > > > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
2008-10-21 02:33Cyrill BlochIf only for me don't kill yourself and go on making such good music! And don't expect love
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If only for me don't kill yourself and go on making such good music! And don't expect love from a wide audience, if you're true to yourself you obviously won't get it! (sorry for my poor english, i'm french...) but it doesn't really matter, unless you want to make money money money from your creative skills? Be proud of what you do, and stand steel! (poor pun, I know) le 21/10/08 4:20:
quoted 121 lines agreed. if we all wanted to make music that everyone loved then we'd> agreed. if we all wanted to make music that everyone loved then we'd > all make smooth jazz. as a label-mate i suggest not quitting. besides, > none of us could quit. we need the eggs. > > justin > yellow then blue > > On Oct 20, 2008 3:40pm, Gel-Sol <gelsol@yahoo.com> wrote: >> If you give a shit about what anyone else thinks about yer music, then > yer doing it for the wrong reason. >> >> >> >> I would highly suggest not quitting. >> >> >> >> Pussy. (that was for negative reinforcement purposes) >> >> >> >> Yer Pal, >> >> Gel-Sol >> >> www.gel-sol.com >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Mon, 10/20/08, Göran Sandström wrote: >> >> >> >> > From: Göran Sandström >> >> > Subject: [idm] I feel like quitting.... >> >> > To: idm@hyperreal.org >> >> > Date: Monday, October 20, 2008, 3:37 PM >> >> > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got >> >> > the least >> >> > votes in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> >> > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it >> >> > does... Why the >> >> > hell have I been making music for more than half of my life >> >> > I nobody >> >> > wants to listen to it anyway? >> >> > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the >> >> > guy who got >> >> > the most votes, I think his music sucks: >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/ >> >> > xihilisk (IMO) >> >> > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> >> > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> >> > >> >> > _Retrospective.flac >> >> > >> >> > I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> > >> >> > Göran Sandström >> >> > www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> Do You Yahoo!? >> >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>
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2008-10-21 13:12Göran SandströmHmm, weird: www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_-_Retrospective.flac perhaps it was the lineb
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Hmm, weird: www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_-_Retrospective.flac perhaps it was the linebreak, i dunno. Göran Sandström www.myspace.com/veqtor 21 okt 2008 kl. 14.53 skrev Sherrin Varghese: Hey Goran We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it is better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his is bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a link.. etc... *Follow your heart, somebody on the [idm] list might kill ur friend for you, releaving you of your suicide tendencies... *Cheers* * On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote:
quoted 65 lines Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing> Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing > is, I've > started going to a school for music and everyone here is really > talented and > by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if > not already > living of doing tv-jingles. > It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really > talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought > it would > be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought > there > wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego- > boost, > something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll > ever > kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the > people > around me. > Cheers > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: > > > My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the > least votes > in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". > Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the > hell > have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody > wants to > listen to it anyway? > I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who > got the > most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/ > xihilisk (IMO) > Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. > FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- > _Retrospective.flac > > I just feel like killing myself right now... > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/Veqtor > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2008-10-21 15:01John DilibertoA lost classic of space music is revisited on Echoes. In an era where everyone seems to be
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A lost classic of space music is revisited on Echoes. In an era where everyone seems to be reissuing every electronic fart and burp they ever recorded, Galaxie Cygnus-A, released in a limited edition in 1982, remains a true lost star in the constellation of classic '70s Berlin school electronics, even if it was recorded in 1982. We'll be featuring tracks from this CD Tuesday night, October 21 on Echoes and I write about it, with some video links, on the Echoes Blog: http://tinyurl.com/5t8tu8 John Diliberto ((( (((echoes))) ))) Producer/Host 1-610-827-9600 Read the Echoes Blog-Hear Echoes 24/7-Sign up for Echoes Interview Podcast, go to echoesspace http://www.echoes.org Mail To: Echoes P.O. Box 256 Chester Springs, PA 19425 Ship to: Echoes 1709 Art School Rd. Chester Springs, PA 19425 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-21 16:28Tim WaltersJohn Diliberto wrote: > A lost classic of space music is revisited on Echoes. In an era wh
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John Diliberto wrote: > A lost classic of space music is revisited on Echoes. In an era where > everyone seems to be reissuing every electronic fart and burp they ever > recorded, Galaxie Cygnus-A, released in a limited edition in 1982, > remains a true lost star in the constellation of classic '70s Berlin > school electronics, even if it was recorded in 1982. Have you ever played Mars Everywhere's INDUSTRIAL SABOTAGE (from 1980)? That gets my vote for best not-on-CD old-school space music; its addition of noise, dissonance and Canterbury-esque elements to the space music style make it extremely distinctive. -- Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-21 22:00John DilibertoAt 12:28 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote: >Have you ever played Mars Everywhere's INDUSTRIAL SABO
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At 12:28 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines Have you ever played Mars Everywhere's INDUSTRIAL SABOTAGE (from>Have you ever played Mars Everywhere's INDUSTRIAL SABOTAGE (from >1980)? That gets my vote for best not-on-CD old-school space music; >its addition of noise, dissonance and Canterbury-esque elements to >the space music style make it extremely distinctive.
Great CD that we used to play to death on a show called Diaspar in the 1980s on WXPN, Philadelphia. It's not quite "chilled" enough to play on Echoes, but a great lost record of progressive rock. I'll have to dig that out tonight. John Diliberto ((( (((echoes))) ))) Producer/Host 1-610-827-9600 Read the Echoes Blog-Hear Echoes 24/7-Sign up for Echoes Interview Podcast, go to echoesspace http://www.echoes.org Mail To: Echoes P.O. Box 256 Chester Springs, PA 19425 Ship to: Echoes 1709 Art School Rd. Chester Springs, PA 19425 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2008-10-21 16:14Brandon TallentAn apropos quote: "There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening that is tran
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An apropos quote: "There is a vitality, a life force, an energy, a quickening that is translated through you into action, and because there is only one of you in all of time, this expression is unique. And if you block it, it will never exist through any other medium and it will be lost. The world will not have it. It is not your business to determine how good it is nor how valuable nor how it compares with other expressions. It is your business to keep it yours clearly and directly, to keep the channel open. You do not even have to believe in yourself or your work. You have to keep yourself open and aware to the urges that motivate you. Keep the channel open. ... No artist is pleased. [There is] no satisfaction whatever at any time. There is only a queer divine dissatisfaction, a blessed unrest that keeps us marching and makes us more alive than the others"' ~~Martha Graham, Dancer and Choreographer, 1894-1991 -- BJT On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 102 lines Hmm, weird:> Hmm, weird: > www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_-_Retrospective.flac > perhaps it was the linebreak, i dunno. > > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/veqtor > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 14.53 skrev Sherrin Varghese: > > Hey > Goran > > We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it is > better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his is > bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a link.. > etc... > > > *Follow your heart, somebody on the [idm] list might kill ur friend for you, > releaving you of your suicide tendencies... > > *Cheers* > > * > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Göran Sandström > <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote: > >> Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, >> I've >> started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented >> and >> by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not >> already >> living of doing tv-jingles. >> It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really >> talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it would >> be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there >> wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, >> something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever >> kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people >> around me. >> Cheers >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: >> >> >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least >> votes >> in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell >> have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to >> listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the >> most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk (IMO) >> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > -- > Sherrin Varghese > (+91) 98200 33053 > > VERTIKAL - PRODUCTIONS > E/601, Nazarene Apts, Kharodi, Marve rd, Malad(w), Mumbai 400095. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2008-10-24 13:09Max & MarkIts a pretty cool track actually Like that ''duby'' type of sound. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at
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Its a pretty cool track actually Like that ''duby'' type of sound. On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Göran Sandström <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines Hmm, weird:> Hmm, weird: > www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_-_Retrospective.flac > perhaps it was the linebreak, i dunno. > > > Göran Sandström > www.myspace.com/veqtor > > > 21 okt 2008 kl. 14.53 skrev Sherrin Varghese: > > Hey > Goran > > We can't hear ur FLAC..not found in the server(404).... If ur saying it
is
quoted 1 line better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his> better than the other guys..i have no choice but to believe you.. cos his
is
quoted 1 line bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a> bland...but we still need to hear ur's.... so load it again.. send a
link..
quoted 4 lines etc...> etc... > > > *Follow your heart, somebody on the [idm] list might kill ur friend for
you,
quoted 18 lines releaving you of your suicide tendencies...> releaving you of your suicide tendencies... > > *Cheers* > > * > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Göran Sandström > <vektor@oxo-unlimited.com>wrote: > >> Thanks everyone for your responses, I feel a bit better now. Thing is, >> I've >> started going to a school for music and everyone here is really talented >> and >> by really I mean my age and getting huge scolarships and such if not >> already >> living of doing tv-jingles. >> It's a frustrating, when entering a group of people who're all really >> talented. I guess I had wished winning that contest, as I thought it
would
quoted 23 lines be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there>> be really easy, because volume one's tracks were so sucky I thought there >> wouldn't be hardly anything to compete with, would give me an ego-boost, >> something I've been needing for a while. Anyway, I don't think I'll ever >> kill myself, I love music too much, and I could never do it to the people >> around me. >> Cheers >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> 21 okt 2008 kl. 00.37 skrev Göran Sandström: >> >> >> My track, retrospective was just one of the tracks that got the least >> votes >> in the What.CD compo "What CD Volume 2". >> Does this track suck so badly? I can't imagine it does... Why the hell >> have I been making music for more than half of my life I nobody wants to >> listen to it anyway? >> I just feel like a complete failure. Especially since the guy who got the >> most votes, I think his music sucks: http://www.myspace.com/xihilisk
(IMO)
quoted 40 lines Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it.>> Please listen to it, tell me what's wrong with it. >> FLAC of my track: http://www.oxo-unlimited.com/mp3/Veqtor_- >> _Retrospective.flac >> >> I just feel like killing myself right now... >> >> Göran Sandström >> www.myspace.com/Veqtor >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> > > > -- > Sherrin Varghese > (+91) 98200 33053 > > VERTIKAL - PRODUCTIONS > E/601, Nazarene Apts, Kharodi, Marve rd, Malad(w), Mumbai 400095. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2008-10-21 22:10Nevyn NowhereHaha, perhaps I got inundated with requests all at once... I just checked and it is workin
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Haha, perhaps I got inundated with requests all at once... I just checked and it is working, here is the direct page link if you're still having problems http://thecommonwoods.com/nowhere/canvas.php That gets you to the first page and you can navigate from there with the controls at the bottom of the page. 6 pages of up to 17 nude/semi nude white painted ladies with video projected onto them while I play! Have fun! Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happyhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humans On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:41 AM, n3wjack <n3wjack@n3wjack.net> wrote:
quoted 29 lines The page is not loading!!> > The page is not loading!! > I want my naked girls dammit!!! > > ;) > > > > 2008/10/21 Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com> > >> >> http://www.happhumans.org >> Sad Music for Happy Humas >> >> PS: Human Canvas Project pictures are UP! Yes, that means there is not >> only >> free music on my website, but also naked girls! human art! Video >> projections! white humans! Whatever angle of truth makes you go look! =P >> >> > > -- > "progress doesn't come from early risers > progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" > > http://n3wjack.net > http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station > >