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do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i always thought of it like this: 1-3 single 4-7 ep 8 - whatever else fits on the record full length anymore - into double record territory have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and a b-side / remix and thats it? -- _______________________________________________ Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, and 25MB mailboxes! Powered by Outblaze

There is no exact definition for this, but I would say 3 5 minute songs = an ep. Technically, a 'single' is ONE song (or a/b side), but ep means 'extended play', so a single which is an extended mix could be an ep. These terms are left over from the days of 7" vs. 12"s, when most (but not all - I recall 7" eps in the 1950s which played at 33.3 rpm) things fit into easier categories. Still, when we're talking digital media, I refer to a single as one/two tracks which are either normal LP edits (if they come from an LP, which is where we get the notion of 'single'). And to muddy it up further, for example, the new Bass Communion LP is 2 tracks, totaling about 40 minutes of music. Then you have Pub's "Single" which clocks in at just under 70 minutes. :-) jeff steven roeder wrote:

quoted 16 lines do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i

>do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i >always thought of it like this: > >1-3 single > >4-7 ep > >8 - whatever else fits on the record full length > >anymore - into double record territory > >have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and >a b-side / remix and thats it? > > >

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According to my understanding of Uk Chart Regulations (according to the BPI) The following fit the defintion of a single; if I remember rightly from the time I worked in record shops and also reading music week. All other formats are not eligible to inclusion in the 'singles chart', but I don't think too many of us here are expecting to break th top 40 in a hurry! You might qualify for the 'Budget Albums chart'(i think is what its called) instead! (as did rock band 3 Colours Red with their Paralyse Ep in 1998, which at four songs, found themselves no.1 in the budget albums chart.) i)Three tracks or less on a 5" or 3" CD (must not exceed 25 minutes in total) ii)A DVD single featuring 1 Video track and no more than 2 audio tracks iii)Digital Download iv)7" v)12" not exceeding 25 minutes total vi)Cassette Only three of the above formats are eligible for inclusion in the UK charts, as specified by record company.Sorry if im wrong, but thats my understanding of it Graham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 13 lines There is no exact definition for this, but I would say 3 5 minute

>There is no exact definition for this, but I would say 3 5 minute >songs = an ep. >Technically, a 'single' is ONE song (or a/b side), but ep means >'extended play', so a single which is an extended mix could be an ep. >These terms are left over from the days of 7" vs. 12"s, when most >(but not all - I recall 7" eps in the 1950s which played at 33.3 >rpm) things fit >into easier categories. Still, when we're talking digital media, I >refer to a single as one/two tracks which are either normal LP edits >(if they come from an LP, which is where we get the notion of >'single'). And to muddy it up further, for example, the new Bass >Communion LP is 2 tracks, totaling about 40 minutes of music. >Then you have Pub's "Single" which clocks in at just under 70 minutes. :-)

i would tend to factor in progam length as well as the title and importance of the tracks when considering the difference as well. for example, a 7" or 12" single, or even a CD equivalent, could contain 3 songs instead of 2 (especially in the latter two cases), but usually two things are true: the title of the first track is the title of the entire release, and the other 2 tracks are shorter. i would also consider it a single if one or more of the other tracks is simply a remix/alternate version of the first one. actually, i think that goes for even if there are more than 3 tracks total, such as depeche mode singles that have 5+ different remixers tackling the same song, plus maybe an acoustic demo version. on the other hand, if the 3 tracks are of equal importance and length, and the release has a title different from any of the tracks, then i'd consider it an EP, especially if none of the tracks appear on a full-length album, and the release is intended to stand on its own rather than promote an existing or upcoming album. also, a total time of 20-30 minutes feels more like an EP than a single, which is usually less than that (of course, the orb's "blue room" is the most famous example of that being broken). certainly there are exceptions or hybrids of thoseexamples that exist, but that's what i think are the basic criteria. d.

quoted 22 lines steven roeder wrote:

>steven roeder wrote: > >>do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i >>always thought of it like this: >> >>1-3 single >> >>4-7 ep >> >>8 - whatever else fits on the record full length >>anymore - into double record territory >> >>have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and >>a b-side / remix and thats it? >> >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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according to SOCAN any thing less the 45 mins of music is not considered a full length... so I tend to follow the standards of the folks at socan since they provide me with money for airplay and grants to record records ... so to me any thing less then 45 mins is an ep and 46 mins and above is a full length... how ever this is candian standards... On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, steven roeder wrote:

quoted 21 lines do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i

> do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i > always thought of it like this: > > 1-3 single > > 4-7 ep > > 8 - whatever else fits on the record full length > > anymore - into double record territory > > have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and > a b-side / remix and thats it? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com > Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, and 25MB mailboxes! > > Powered by Outblaze >

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On 1/13/06, steven roeder <crashsick@outgun.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i

> > do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i > always thought of it like this: > > 1-3 single > > 4-7 ep > > 8 - whatever else fits on the record full length > > anymore - into double record territory > > have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and > a b-side / remix and thats it?

I've always looked at is as more of a remix vs. new songs thing. In my head a single typically has the original version, maybe an original b-side and then remixes of at least the title track but possibly more songs as well. An EP is made up primarily of new tracks. I think of Aphex Twin's Ventolin as a double single, even though it's usually called an EP. Donkey Rhubarb is an EP, even though it's shorter in length. i0

thuis is a single http://www.archive.org/details/seriouslymynameistheproducerandthisistheworkhttpwwwgrepfunetacidmeatsockacidsd110flpogg On 1/13/06, steven roeder <crashsick@outgun.com> wrote:

quoted 22 lines do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i

> do you consider three roughly 5 minute songs to be an ep or a single? i > always thought of it like this: > > 1-3 single > > 4-7 ep > > 8 - whatever else fits on the record full length > > anymore - into double record territory > > have i got it all wrong? is a single restricted to one song and > a b-side / remix and thats it? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Outgun.com free e-mail @ www.outgun.com > Check out our Premium services - POP3 downloading, e-mail forwarding, and 25MB mailboxes! > > Powered by Outblaze > >

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