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2005-01-01 20:46clive-harris [idm] OFF-TOPIC: Fw: [Cabaretvoltaire] Privacy concerns
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└─ 2005-01-02 18:21nat hawks [idm] [Cabaretvoltaire] -band recommendations?
├─ 2005-01-02 19:09max Re: [idm] [Cabaretvoltaire] -band recommendations?
└─ 2005-01-02 19:16Greg Clow Re: [idm] [Cabaretvoltaire] -band recommendations?
├─ 2005-01-02 19:45StaticBeats Re: [idm] [Cabaretvoltaire] -band recommendations?
└─ 2005-01-02 20:01max Re: [idm] [Cabaretvoltaire] -band recommendations?
└─ 2005-01-03 00:22nat hawks [idm] oh yes, another top ten.
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2005-01-01 20:46clive-harrisDear all, Happy New Year! I got this email from one of the Yahoo groups that I'm a member
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Dear all, Happy New Year! I got this email from one of the Yahoo groups that I'm a member of. I thought you might be interested - in the interests of stopping "Big Brother-ness"!. Obviously, I don't know if any of you are members of any Yahoo groups, but I had to pass it on. Clive - - - - - - - "Hi folks, In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group users around the net and see what you're doing and where you are going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and every group you visit. Take a look at their updated privacy statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see a link that says web beacons. Click on the phrase "web beacons": http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/beacons/details.html That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo Network." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted. Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page. Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out. Feel free to forward this to other groups." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cabaretvoltaire/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: cabaretvoltaire-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
2005-01-02 16:11n3wjackthis part is really nasty : ----- Yahoo!'s practice is to include web beacons in HTML-form
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this part is really nasty : ----- Yahoo!'s practice is to include web beacons in HTML-formatted email messages (messages that include graphics) that Yahoo!, or its agents, sends in order to determine which email messages were opened and to note whether a message was acted upon. ---- don't use Yahoo mail I guess... On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:46:37 -0000, clive-harris <clive-harris@ntlworld.com> wrote:
quoted 49 lines Dear all,> Dear all, > > Happy New Year! > > I got this email from one of the Yahoo groups that I'm a member of. I thought you might be interested - in the interests of stopping "Big Brother-ness"!. Obviously, I don't know if any of you are members of any Yahoo groups, but I had to pass it on. > > Clive > > - - - - - - - > > "Hi folks, > > In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo > is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group > users around the net and see what you're doing and where you are > going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and > every group you visit. Take a look at their updated privacy > statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy > > About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will > see a link that says web beacons. > Click on the phrase "web beacons": > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/beacons/details.html > > That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo > Network." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt > out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of > snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted. > > Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page. > Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button > that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out. > > Feel free to forward this to other groups." > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cabaretvoltaire/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > cabaretvoltaire-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
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2005-01-02 16:16n3wjacktechnically a web beacon turns out to be a simple gif image that gets pulled from the yaho
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technically a web beacon turns out to be a simple gif image that gets pulled from the yahoo servers so they can monitor whatever they are inserting the image into (banner, page, html email...) GMail blocks images inserted into HTML emails, and so does Pegasus, but I'm sure hotmail doesn't, and maybe Outlook can too, but it's probably disabled by default in the security settings oslt... thanx, for the heads up on this On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:46:37 -0000, clive-harris <clive-harris@ntlworld.com> wrote:
quoted 49 lines Dear all,> Dear all, > > Happy New Year! > > I got this email from one of the Yahoo groups that I'm a member of. I thought you might be interested - in the interests of stopping "Big Brother-ness"!. Obviously, I don't know if any of you are members of any Yahoo groups, but I had to pass it on. > > Clive > > - - - - - - - > > "Hi folks, > > In case you are interested in protecting your online privacy: Yahoo > is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo Group > users around the net and see what you're doing and where you are > going - similar to cookies. Yahoo is recording every website and > every group you visit. Take a look at their updated privacy > statement: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy > > About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will > see a link that says web beacons. > Click on the phrase "web beacons": > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/beacons/details.html > > That will bring you to a paragraph entitled "Outside the Yahoo > Network." In this section you'll see a little "click here to opt > out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of > snooping. Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted. > > Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page. > Be careful because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button > that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out. > > Feel free to forward this to other groups." > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cabaretvoltaire/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > cabaretvoltaire-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >
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2005-01-02 18:21nat hawksactually, i was interested if someone could give me some Cabaret Voltaire recommendations.
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actually, i was interested if someone could give me some Cabaret Voltaire recommendations... i found one called 'microphone' or something like that in a vinyl bin recently, and while it's pretty interesting, i've heard they have some great stuff, but never new where to start... suggestions would be appreciated. cheerios. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-01-02 19:09maxOn Jan 2, 2005, at 12:21 PM, nat hawks wrote: > actually, i was interested if someone coul
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On Jan 2, 2005, at 12:21 PM, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 9 lines actually, i was interested if someone could give me> actually, i was interested if someone could give me > some Cabaret Voltaire recommendations... i found one > called 'microphone' or something like that in a vinyl > bin recently, and while it's pretty interesting, i've > heard they have some great stuff, but never new where > to start... suggestions would be appreciated. > > cheerios. >
Early Cabaret Voltaire stuff tends to the more 'industrial' sound.... Voice of America Red Mecca Mix-up in they 80's they evolved a more 'breakdance' style sound.... Crackdown Microphonies 8 Crepuscule Tracks which evolved further into a more IDM sound later..... Plasticity The Conversation Colors All of their stuff is great! Also check out solo work from RICHARD H KIRK! np: Richard H Kirk--"Black Jesus Voice" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-01-02 19:16Greg ClowAt 01:21 PM 02/01/2005, nat hawks wrote: >actually, i was interested if someone could give
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At 01:21 PM 02/01/2005, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 6 lines actually, i was interested if someone could give me>actually, i was interested if someone could give me >some Cabaret Voltaire recommendations... i found one >called 'microphone' or something like that in a vinyl >bin recently, and while it's pretty interesting, i've >heard they have some great stuff, but never new where >to start... suggestions would be appreciated.
Recommendations on what you might like will depend on what style you're looking for. Cabaret Voltaire had roughly 4 stylistic "eras": 1) Experimental/Abstract/Noise [1974-81]: Their first release from this era was a cassette called "1974-76". It was reissued on CD by Mute a while back, and should still be available. There's also a 3 CD box called "Methodology 74-78", but that might be a bit much for a newcomer. Once they started releasing proper albums in 1979/80, their music had gotten a bit more structured, but was still pretty experimental. "Red Mecca" (1981) is probably my favourite album from this time period. I also like the "Living Legends" anthology, which collects most of their singles & EPs from 1978-81. 2) "Industrial-Funk" [1982-86]: Also known as "The Virgin Years", as most of their material in these years was released on Virgin Records. All three albums from this era are classics, IMO - "Micro-Phonies", "The Crackdown" and "The Covenant, The Sword & The Arm Of The Lord". There were also a few great singles/EPs in this timeframe, many of which appear on the anthology disc "The Original Sound of Sheffield". 3) Techno-House [1987-90]: This is the least favourite CV era for a lot of people. The guys got really interested in the sounds coming out of Detroit and Chicago around this time, and started to orient their sounds more and more towards the dancefloor. There were only two albums released in this period: "Code" (1987), which still retains a bit of the industrial-funk sound of the last few releases, and has some great production by Adrian Sherwood, but it's been out of print for ages; and "Groovy Laidback & Nasty" (1990), which is pretty much a stright-up techno/house record. There is also a very good 3 CD box set called "Conform to Deform 82-90" that collects rarities, remixes & unreleased material from the two periods above, plus a live concert from 1990. 4) Electronica/IDM/Ambient [1991-94]: I must admit to being unfamiliar with a lot of CVs work in this period, as I was so turned off by their house-influenced stuff that I stopped buying their records for a few years. I finally got back into them with "The Conversation" (1994), which is a fantastic ambient double CD. Perhaps someone else will be able to recommend some other material from this period. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-01-02 19:45StaticBeatsIm a huge fan of the CV 90's but im gonna cheat a little and include some other stuff of R
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Im a huge fan of the CV 90's but im gonna cheat a little and include some other stuff of Richard H Kirk as well. All this is the more modern electronic stuff. Personally havent been a fan of the CV 80's industrial era... 1994 - Cabaret Voltaire - The Conversation 1994 - Electronic Eye - Closed Circuit (one of my favorites - in the same vein as 'The Conversation') 1995 - Sandoz - Every Man Got Dreaming 2000 - Electronic Eye - Neurometrik 2001 - Sandoz - Afrocentris 2002 - Blacworld - Subduing Demons in South Yorkshire (reviewed: http://www.staticbeats.com/reviews.php?id=26) 2003 - Biochemichal Dread - Bush Doctrine Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com Buy Some Music Daggit!
quoted 15 lines 4) Electronica/IDM/Ambient [1991-94]:> > 4) Electronica/IDM/Ambient [1991-94]: > I must admit to being unfamiliar with a lot of CVs > work in this period, as > I was so turned off by their house-influenced stuff > that I stopped buying > their records for a few years. I finally got back > into them with "The > Conversation" (1994), which is a fantastic ambient > double CD. Perhaps > someone else will be able to recommend some other > material from this period. > > > Greg
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2005-01-02 20:01max> Recommendations on what you might like will depend on what style > you're looking for. C
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quoted 13 lines Recommendations on what you might like will depend on what style> Recommendations on what you might like will depend on what style > you're looking for. Cabaret Voltaire had roughly 4 stylistic "eras": > > 1) Experimental/Abstract/Noise [1974-81]: > Their first release from this era was a cassette called "1974-76". It > was reissued on CD by Mute a while back, and should still be > available. There's also a 3 CD box called "Methodology 74-78", but > that might be a bit much for a newcomer. Once they started releasing > proper albums in 1979/80, their music had gotten a bit more > structured, but was still pretty experimental. "Red Mecca" (1981) is > probably my favourite album from this time period. I also like the > "Living Legends" anthology, which collects most of their singles & EPs > from 1978-81.
Most any of this stuff is good!!!!!
quoted 8 lines 2) "Industrial-Funk" [1982-86]:> > 2) "Industrial-Funk" [1982-86]: > Also known as "The Virgin Years", as most of their material in these > years was released on Virgin Records. All three albums from this era > are classics, IMO - "Micro-Phonies", "The Crackdown" and "The > Covenant, The Sword & The Arm Of The Lord". There were also a few > great singles/EPs in this timeframe, many of which appear on the > anthology disc "The Original Sound of Sheffield".
All of these are awesome too; "the Covent, the Sword & the Arm of the Lord" is super great!!!
quoted 6 lines 3) Techno-House [1987-90]:> > 3) Techno-House [1987-90]: > This is the least favourite CV era for a lot of people. > There is also a very good 3 CD box set called "Conform to Deform > 82-90" that collects rarities, remixes & unreleased material from the > two periods above, plus a live concert from 1990.
i kinda have to agree here, seems odd that the guys went in this direction when their own sound was already so uniquely dance-flavored. I saw them live at the old Studio 54 in New York supporting Einsturzende Neubauten around this time, and i would have to say that at least as far as Dance style stuff live they blew a lot of other stuff away at the time. "Conform to Deform" is awesome btw.
quoted 9 lines 4) Electronica/IDM/Ambient [1991-94]:> > 4) Electronica/IDM/Ambient [1991-94]: > I must admit to being unfamiliar with a lot of CVs work in this > period, as I was so turned off by their house-influenced stuff that I > stopped buying their records for a few years. I finally got back into > them with "The Conversation" (1994), which is a fantastic ambient > double CD. Perhaps someone else will be able to recommend some other > material from this period. >
This stuff is much better than the previous house/tech stuff, i have to agree with Greg here. Starts with "Plasticity", then "International Language", and finally "The Conversation"---these 3 were intended to flow together and are really wonderful!!!! I especially liked "Plasticity"; these can be difficult to find. Richard H Kirk's solo stuff thru WARP continued along this sound path, also check out the stuff on the TOUCH label, he has a lot of releases there, very Tribal-Tech and Ambient style dance stuff. Here's some of my personal faves and other stuff to check out: "Drinking Gasoline" "2x45" "Eight Crepuscule Tracks" "Nag Nag Nag" Remixes (CD single includes a remix by AKUFEN) "Three Mantras" some favorite tracks: "Seconds Too Late" "Sensoria" "C.O.M.A" "The Web" "Yashar" have fun finding wonderful Cabaret Voltaire nuggs!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2005-01-03 00:22nat hawksthanks everyone for the CV recommendations! my god, i guess i asked the right folks (have
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thanks everyone for the CV recommendations! my god, i guess i asked the right folks (have been off the idm list for almost three years now, and my, how i missed it! :) for some reason Village Voice has been asking me for my top ten for a couple years (they actually gave me, like, $1.25 for publishing one lame sentence i wrote about Sigur-Ros a couple years ago... my big claim to fame, ooooh). Anyway, keep in mind that that's the intended audience... (it's littered with pathetic attempts at quote-worthy rhetoric!) enjoy! Albums of the Year (looking over Other Music?s and Pitchfork?s end of year lists, I realized that I didn?t miss anything at all like I thought, it just wasn?t that great a year for music innovation.)The success of Arcade Fire really sealed the deal with me that the indie rock scene has become the hiding place for MOR Adult Contemporary. If you?re not super famous you?re suddenly up for an ?indie credibility account.? Also, seeing Broken Social Scene (opening for Pixies) pose and flail with scarves made me feel like a boring old person. Here was some very boring rock that had absolutely nothing ?left of the dial? about it what-so-ever, expect that they were CLEARLY young, hip, artistic, and oh-so passionate. Just awful. A good year for going through used vinyl bins if you ask me. 1. Venetian Snares-Huge Chrome Box Slowly Unfolding In Space (Planet-Mu) Now that Lord Vader is back in the office, the only thing worth protesting is the fact that Venetian Snares does not receive the heaping critical acclaim that he deserves. His music is extremely challenging, it?s not for everyone, but how these legions of ?music lovers everywhere? have failed to pick up on this mastermind is too sad. Venetian Snares is one man who lives way up in cold Canada. Venetian Snares makes the most traumatizingly complicated drill-and-bass I?ve ever heard? it sounds like he sampled every single sound that has ever been made and warped them together into something so big and ugly and awe-inspiring?vomit-inducing music has never felt so right. I haven?t been this challenged by music since I started listening to Autechre. Yes, he is THAT good. 2. Dungen- Ta Det Lugnt (Subliminal Sounds) Amazing swedish retro-psych rock out maximus. I typically hate this kind of stuff, but they do it so well that you just have to sing along ? ?Fin-smar loo-me too-no-soo laifeitzio!? Totally meaningful and relevant to my life! Really though, it?s like the shameless pop finesse you?re embarrassed to be caught listening to, with foreign art credibility! 3. Animal Collective-SungTongs (Paw Tracks): Really strange and pretty and silly and real and now hyper-active druggies get props by NYTs! Watching this band?s progression from their stunning debut, through a couple too many albums of free-form meltdown, into SungTongs, a collection of camp fire songs that make you want to pass out face down in the grass. I guess it?s ok to take LSD again. Who knew?! Joyous strumming, childish banging, and heavenward yelps. 4. Envy-Dead Sinking Story (Level-Plane) Fantastic Japanese hardcore. Like Mogwai on sake-drive! Seriously, this is such amazing beautiful and potent music. Vocals that scream and blur beyond happy-and-sad into that state of sheer life. A truly epic album that treads through awfully artistic water (for a hardcore band) with pure intentions and bountiful gifts. And, of course, English-as-second-language bands are totally in right now! 5. Blonde Redhead-Misery is a Butterfly (4AD): How many times have you thought to yourself, ?If I was in a band as good as Blonde Redhead, I would try sometime to make a really, really stunningly beautiful album that my parents could totally appreciate.? Well, for one album the beautiful people of BR got old and made a really elegant, graceful piece of work. Tense, sexual, delirious, introspective yet detached, god it?s like being yourself! 6. Julian Fane-Special Forces (Planet-Mu) Look for this album to make some waves when it?s distribution improves over here. Julian Fane used to work on the stock market in England. Then he quite and started making music full time. His debut full length, Special Forces, owes some serious debt to the likes of Sigur Ros, but that is AOK, because what he borrows is that gorgeous, endlessly ethereal sound that, well, should be found in all music damn it! It?s the sound of a man trapped by a snow storm with a laptop, a memory man, and an achey-breaky heart. 7. Detachment Kit-Of This Blood (French Kiss): I honestly can?t figure out if I?m stupid or smart to love this album, because I haven?t seen it on one top-fifty list this year, but seems to be nothing but brilliant, original indie rock that you?ll want to listen to ever morning like I did for four months. The fact that this album was largely ignored makes me worry. God, what do the kids want these days?! 8. Mum-Summer Make Good (Fat Cat): Everyone was disappointed with this album, and with some justification. It doesn?t have the immediate, bubbling joy so present on previous albums. It just wasn?t quite as cute as their other work. But having seen them perform these tracks live, I was astounded to revisit the album realizing that they truly were all making all of these sounds, with their hands! It?s too easy to brush off some many of the nuances in their work as computer assisted (as their electro-acoustic set-up will make one think), when the truth is that all these amazing, small sounds are, in fact, created by a dedicated team of trained experts with children?s toys. Somewhere down the road we will learn to appreciate this work. 9. The Unicorns-Who Will Cut Our Hair When We Are Gone? (Alien8)-I thought I would hate this. I feel like this is what I wished all those Williamsburg bands would sound like if they practiced. These Canadians took the Willy-B sound template and made some really raw and beautiful and damn fun out of it. Yeah, they sound like they?re banging on their instruments too, but they took the time to figure out how to bang just right. 10. Modest Mouse- God, putting them in my top ten, I feel like I?m voting for U2 on TRL! _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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