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2004-05-11 16:52chthoniceggy@eggtastic.com commented: >FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he s

From:: chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:52:46 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] proem + fla vs. cliche

eggy@eggtastic.com commented:

quoted 9 lines FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a

>FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a >pretty good representation, and over the course of a few tracks I >recognized parts lifted wholly from aphex twin and autechre tracks. I >brought it up and said "that's kind of cheap, don't you think?" > >He responded that "no, it's what they do, it's great!" > >Of course, if you're familiar with what they're lifting, it's *really >boring*, *really fast*. I'd rather go listen to the original tracks.

i do generally agree. when they did 'millennium' in 1994, they sampled rock riffs from pantera and metallica. for their sins, the album was tied up in smaple clearance for a year. and the music was just as boring as you'd think. but actually, they don't *always* do that. they did actually take a really cool nitzer ebb bassline and turned it into an even better song. plus on their 2001 album i recognized a string bit from the movie "event horizon", and an old delerium track (when they were good, before they became the new enigma/deep forest) looped peter gabriel's "the rhythm of the heat". but in all of those cases, the samples were used as jumping-off points toward something else, which i think is perfectly valid. as long as the result turns out well and doesn't just make you want to hear the original. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-05-11 16:50danielProem is extremely consistant which is what appeals to me the most. They may not be as inn

From:: daniel <daniel@aptrick.com>
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Date:: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:50:18 -0500
Subject:: RE: [idm] proem + fla vs. cliche
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Proem is extremely consistant which is what appeals to me the most. They may not be as innovative as, say Aphex Twin, but Proem is right on the mark when it comes to making good music. Being cutting-edge doesn't necessarily denote good music. ; ) -daniel -----Original Message----- From: chthonic [mailto:chthonic@chthonicstreams.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:53 AM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] proem + fla vs. cliche eggy@eggtastic.com commented:

quoted 9 lines FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a

>FLA is funny because a friend of mine demoed a CD that he said was a >pretty good representation, and over the course of a few tracks I >recognized parts lifted wholly from aphex twin and autechre tracks. I >brought it up and said "that's kind of cheap, don't you think?" > >He responded that "no, it's what they do, it's great!" > >Of course, if you're familiar with what they're lifting, it's *really >boring*, *really fast*. I'd rather go listen to the original tracks.

i do generally agree. when they did 'millennium' in 1994, they sampled rock riffs from pantera and metallica. for their sins, the album was tied up in smaple clearance for a year. and the music was just as boring as you'd think. but actually, they don't *always* do that. they did actually take a really cool nitzer ebb bassline and turned it into an even better song. plus on their 2001 album i recognized a string bit from the movie "event horizon", and an old delerium track (when they were good, before they became the new enigma/deep forest) looped peter gabriel's "the rhythm of the heat". but in all of those cases, the samples were used as jumping-off points toward something else, which i think is perfectly valid. as long as the result turns out well and doesn't just make you want to hear the original. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2004-05-11 17:59Alan R LucasI think one of the things I like so much about the live disc is that the gives the tracks

From:: Alan R Lucas <arlucas@telerama.com>
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Date:: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:59:23 -0400
Subject:: RE: [idm] proem + fla vs. cliche
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I think one of the things I like so much about the live disc is that the gives the tracks all kinds of room to stretch out. It seems so many "IDM" releases these days are mainly made up of 4:00 or so tracks. I'm not sure if that means that people are incapable of doing interesting, epic stuff ala, say, Global Communications or that they just don't want to. I don't mind when albums are only 40:00, but I also don't mind if it's only five or six tracks instead of 10 or 11. -Alan P.S. I will most likely contradict myself about this at some point in the future. Quoting daniel <daniel@aptrick.com>:

quoted 13 lines Proem is extremely consistant which is what appeals to me the most. They may

> > > > > > Proem is extremely consistant which is what appeals to me the most. They may > not be as innovative as, say Aphex Twin, but Proem is right on the mark when > it comes to making good music. Being cutting-edge doesn't necessarily denote > good music. ; ) > > -daniel > >

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2004-05-11 20:19gel-sol@gel-sol.comYo. I'm going on a 3 week tour of the northeast and midwest with my band, 302 Acid. www.30

From:: <gel-sol@gel-sol.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:19:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject:: [idm] 302 Acid Summer Tour!
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Yo. I'm going on a 3 week tour of the northeast and midwest with my band, 302 Acid. www.302acid.com We're an electronic band with live bass. Elements of dub, drum and bass, IDM and ambient music with alot of improvisation. The sound is often dark and menacing. We also have video to go along with the show. Check us out if yer interested. We'll have cds and t-shirts for sale. 302 Acid Summer Tour 2004 w/Fallout Countdown (www.falloutcountdown.com) May 12 - Tokyo Rose Charlottesville, VA May 13 - CC Art Space Baltimore, MD May 14 - Trash Williamsburg, Brooklyn, NY w/Oxford Collapse, Kilowatthours May 15 - Northeastern University Boston, MA w/Decahedron, Forensics, Panthers, El Guapo May 16 - Club Metronome Burlington, VT w/Eyes Like Knives, The Bears May 17 - Cthonic Coffee House Beacon, NY May 18 - Knitting Factory New York, NY w/Digital Honesty, Man Man May 19 - Pat's in the Flats Cleveland, OH w/Adam's Castle, #Station May 20 - Mac's Bar Lansing, MI May 21 - Grand River Sailing Club Grand Haven, MI w/Fallen Idols May 22 - Red Rose Coffee House Murfreesboro, TN May 23 - TBA May 24 - Birdy's Indianapolis, IN w/Melk the g6-49 May 25 - TBA May 26 - Barely Legal House 2756A N. Booth st. (backhouse) Milwaukee, WI 53212 May 27 - Camp Firewood 2378 Como Ave St. Paul, MN May 28 - Some Other Planets 602 Main st. Peoria, IL May 29 - Quad Cities Brew and View Rock Island, IL May 30 - TBA May 31 - Spitfire Kansas City, MO w/ Element, A Southern Ghost Story June 1 - Lemp Arts Center St. Louis, MO June 2 - House Show 624 Breckinridge st. Louisville, Ky. 40204 June 3 - Springwater Club Nashville, TN w/The Sincerity Guild June 4 - Nanci Raygun Richmond, VA w/A New Dawn Fades June 5 - Signal 66 Washington, DC w/(The Sounds of)Kaleidoscope Yer Pal, Gel-Sol www.gel-sol.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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