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2003-07-18 17:50Shimone/Justes [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
└─ 2003-07-19 02:49William Samuels Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
└─ 2003-07-19 03:10Shimone/Justes Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
├─ 2003-07-19 08:08William Samuels Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
│ └─ 2003-07-19 22:23William Samuels [idm] Meteorites (Cristian Vogel) "Dub The Mighty Dragon"
└─ 2003-07-21 15:40atomly Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
2003-07-22 12:17Jason J. Tar [idm] Re: Meteorites (Cristian Vogel) "Dub The Mighty Dragon"
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2003-07-18 17:50Shimone/JustesWTF ?? Do you realize you're forwarding messages to 11 different mailing lists? 01. ambien
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Fri, 18 Jul 2003 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
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[idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
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WTF ?? Do you realize you're forwarding messages to 11 different mailing lists? 01. ambient@hyperreal.org 02. idm@hyperreal.org 03. abstracticon@yahoogroups.com 04. electronic@yahoogroups.com 05. manchester_electronica@yahoogroups.com 06. nutone_pl@yahoogroups.com 07. socalexp@yahoogroups.com 08. idm-m@yahoogroups.com 09. recordcamp@yahoogroups.com 10. Toytronic@yahoogroups.com 11. zombies@hollyfeld.org So let's see - you forward 3 or 4 emails to 11 different lists. That's around forty messages. Out of the thousands of subscribers receiving multiple copies of these emails (as of course many of them subscribe to more than one list) a good amount of them already received the emails since they're subscribed to the various mailing lists you're forwarding from. This goes beyond the cold comfort of hitting my *delete* key, we're talking repetitive stress disorder and every time I see "By way of Pietrobot" I want to fucking scream ~@#$ As I see it - this is spam and I want to be UNSUBSCRIBED. Not from all of these lovely lists I'm a member of but from all this forwarded crap originating from pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com I do understand that some people appreciate and really look forward to Pietro's emails. My suggestion for Pietro is to start your own Pietrobot mailing list so people have the choice of opting in or out of all this extra mail. -- Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-19 02:49William SamuelsHey Shimone/Justes, there are probably very very very few people that are subscribed to al
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Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:49:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
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Hey Shimone/Justes, there are probably very very very few people that are subscribed to all of those lists. I'm amazed you have the time to be on so many. Are you criticizing Pietro for being too effective about spreading the word on new releases and music news? I imagine most artists and labels love that someone is out spreading the news to so many lists. Perhaps you should find some way to filter your email so that you don't get that many duplicates. You could organize your email by sender instead of date or subject and delete all of his extra messages at once or block him if you don't find his emails useful. I can't really see criticizing someone for being "too efficient" at dispersing music info. --- Shimone/Justes <intelligence@staticbeats.com> wrote:
quoted 48 lines WTF ??> WTF ?? > > Do you realize you're forwarding messages to 11 > different mailing lists? > > 01. ambient@hyperreal.org > 02. idm@hyperreal.org > 03. abstracticon@yahoogroups.com > 04. electronic@yahoogroups.com > 05. manchester_electronica@yahoogroups.com > 06. nutone_pl@yahoogroups.com > 07. socalexp@yahoogroups.com > 08. idm-m@yahoogroups.com > 09. recordcamp@yahoogroups.com > 10. Toytronic@yahoogroups.com > 11. zombies@hollyfeld.org > > > So let's see - you forward 3 or 4 emails to 11 > different lists. > That's around forty messages. Out of the thousands > of subscribers receiving > multiple copies of these emails (as of course many > of them subscribe to more > than one list) a good amount of them already > received the emails since > they're subscribed to the various mailing lists > you're forwarding from. > > This goes beyond the cold comfort of hitting my > *delete* key, we're talking > repetitive stress disorder and every time I see "By > way of Pietrobot" I want > to fucking scream ~@#$ > > As I see it - this is spam and I want to be > UNSUBSCRIBED. Not from all of > these lovely lists I'm a member of but from all this > forwarded crap > originating from pietrobot@digitalnimbus.com > > I do understand that some people appreciate and > really look forward to > Pietro's emails. My suggestion for Pietro is to > start your own Pietrobot > mailing list so people have the choice of opting in > or out of all this > extra mail.
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2003-07-19 03:10Shimone/JustesHey Will, Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there who apprecia
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Shimone/Justes
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William Samuels
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Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
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Hey Will, Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there who appreciate these mass emails but I for one do not and have little way of preventing their arrival. I log in through different software depending where Im at (home, work, desktop, laptop) and so a simple kill filter is hardly effective. I must have gotten 20 emails from Pietro today most of which were 2 or 3 copies of the same thing - in addition to the emails I received from the original list owner. The effect is that I delete all of them in frustration and read none of them. Sort by name, click, click, click, *delete*. I realize not everyone is subscribed to every list out there but how about just 2 (ambient and IDM). One company has some news to promote and a person has to get 3 huge emails about it. While I imagine those labels/artists/promoters/whatever might appreciate their message being sent I don't believe they would be as happy to understand their messages are proliferated as spam. I don't mean to criticize someone for being "too efficient" because I feel feel it's actually really in-effecient (like um, in-famous). There are much better ways to spread the gospel. I mean shit, how about even setting up some cool website and saying: "Update for Friday July 18th - Lotsa news from different sources". You can plug the content right into the site and then have a one-line link. I do it on StaticBeats and it's really not all that hard. Send one link out to the list and then allow people to come visit. In fact, here you go: http://www.staticbeats.com/modules.php?name=Stories_Archive&sa=show_all Now *that* is effecient! Lance is a Bot. Pietro is not. And those are some pretty big shoes to try and fill... -- Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard William Samuels said:
quoted 17 lines Hey Shimone/Justes, there are probably very very very> Hey Shimone/Justes, there are probably very very very > few people that are subscribed to all of those lists. > I'm amazed you have the time to be on so many. > > Are you criticizing Pietro for being too effective > about spreading the word on new releases and music > news? I imagine most artists and labels love that > someone is out spreading the news to so many lists. > > Perhaps you should find some way to filter your email > so that you don't get that many duplicates. You could > organize your email by sender instead of date or > subject and delete all of his extra messages at once > or block him if you don't find his emails useful. > > I can't really see criticizing someone for being "too > efficient" at dispersing music info.
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2003-07-19 08:08William Samuels< Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there who appreciate these
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William Samuels
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Shimone/Justes
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Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
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Re: [idm] Flamethrower vs. Pietrobot
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< Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there who appreciate these mass emails but I for one do not and have little way of preventing their arrival. > Well you know the saying you can't please everyone. I get duplicates of lots of messages since I'm on a few newsgroup. It doesn't bother me. < I log in through different software depending where Im at (home, work, desktop, laptop) and so a simple kill filter is hardly effective. I must have gotten 20 emails from Pietro today most of which were 2 or 3 copies of the same thing - in addition to the emails I received from the original list owner. The effect is that I delete all of them in frustration and read none of them. Sort by name, click, click, click, *delete*.> Sounds like an average day for me on any list that I'm on. I expect to delete 80% of the posts almost immediately, and pick thru the topics that look interesting. < I realize not everyone is subscribed to every list out there but how about just 2 (ambient and IDM). > I'm on a few lists and I get plenty of duplicates or triples of posts. It just goes right in the trash, I don't usually waste time to complain about it. <One company has some news to promote and a person has to get 3 huge emails about it. > I know the issue isn't the news, it's about the frequency of messages. Personally, I'd rather get doubles or triples of a post with some music news versus a bunch of trivial useless posts like an idm poll. But that's me. I'm on the list to learn about new music releases that might have slipped by my attention. Not to read how everyone found IDM, or what trying to poll what everyone's favorite tunes are for their car or whatever. Or take the 313 list for example, somehow a question about a track ID can turn into a 30+ post thread about how so and so played it at some show. For some reason that list seems to generate really long threads. I don't see the point in reading that many posts or contributing to such a long thread. Maybe it's because there aren't enough new Detroit releases coming out so people have gotten use to chatter about anything and everything. < While I imagine those labels/artists/promoters/whatever might appreciate their message being sent I don't believe they would be as happy to understand their messages are proliferated as spam. > I disagree. You know what makes a lot of people remember "products", it's repetition. For commercials you often have to see a commercial at least three times for it to stick in your head. Obviously many of these idm labels don't have big advertising budgets, so I'm willing to bet there are very very very few that would object. < I don't mean to criticize someone for being "too efficient" because I feel feel it's actually really in-effecient (like um, in-famous). > Yeah I understand your point of view because you are on A LOT of lists, but I also highly doubt that there are that many people subscribed to so many lists. And those that might are probably use to deleting a ton of emails immediately to cut the number of posts to read. < There are much better ways to spread the gospel. I mean shit, how about even setting up some cool website and saying: "Update for Friday July 18th - Lotsa news from different sources". > Sure a website is always a good idea. Here's another way to get away from the repetition you could always unsubscribe from all of your newsgroups and have people submit music news for your website. I would imagine that being subbed to so many lists there must a lot of overlap in topics. It sounds rather tedious. I get more useful information reading distributor lists every week than reading from any newsgroup. < You can plug the content right into the site and then have a one-line link. I do it on StaticBeats and it's really not all that hard. Send one link out to the list and then allow people to come visit. In fact, here you go: http://www.staticbeats.com/modules.php?name=Stories_Archive&sa=show_all
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quoted 4 lines Now *that* is effecient!> Now *that* is effecient! > Lance is a Bot. Pietro is not. > And those are some pretty big shoes to try and > fill...
Yes Lance was a bot. I don't think anyone has attempting to fill his shoes. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-19 22:23William SamuelsI really dig a lot of Cristian Vogel's releases. I can't wait to find this in the shops! A
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Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT)
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[idm] Meteorites (Cristian Vogel) "Dub The Mighty Dragon"
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I really dig a lot of Cristian Vogel's releases. I can't wait to find this in the shops! Anyone heard the new Meteorites "Dub The Mighty Dragon" release on Rise Robots Rise? Here's a review Cristian Vogel has surprised and freaked us out over the years, always pushing the boundries forward and messing with our expectations - something that is very much at play on this Vogel produced pop project. The 11 tracks spread right across the board from the daft and almost Pitman-esque `Milkman' (lyrics pondering the subject Milkmen while ragga-esque shuffles strut underneath), to the funk punk powerpop of `Don't Wait' with its speeded up ESG style bassline and fast drums supplementing the lyrics and croonings of the two vocalists. `Number One' is one of the strongest tracks with a and brassy Ragga riddim doing the 2-step thing with a stepping dub bassline, a real groove for the feet. Also `Dracula' holds some humourous moments, the life of a Vampire described over a doped up hip hop groove that rocks away, and the heavy acid bassline of 'Mechanic' which is probably my favourite track due to its robotic motor movement and ace bassline. It's Vogel's production, though, that really shines here, once again building the crisp intricacy into something altogether more spannered. Check. http://home.earthlink.net/~efrans/scidm/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-21 15:40atomly[Shimone/Justes <intelligence@staticbeats.com>] > Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure
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[Shimone/Justes <intelligence@staticbeats.com>]
quoted 9 lines Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there> Thanks for writing. Like I said, Im sure there are people out there > who appreciate these mass emails but I for one do not and have little > way of preventing their arrival. I log in through different software > depending where Im at (home, work, desktop, laptop) and so a simple > kill filter is hardly effective. I must have gotten 20 emails from > Pietro today most of which were 2 or 3 copies of the same thing - in > addition to the emails I received from the original list owner. The > effect is that I delete all of them in frustration and read none of > them. Sort by name, click, click, click, *delete*.
If you're on a Unix system, ask your admin about setting up procmail, and then add this line to your .procmailrc :0 Wh: msgid.lock | /usr/bin/formail -D 8192 msgid.cache That will only allow through one copy of any message- it's worked quite well for me. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com for atomly info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-07-22 12:17Jason J. TarAt 11:06 AM 7/21/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I really dig a lot of Cristian Vogel's releases.
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Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:17:06 -0400
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[idm] Re: Meteorites (Cristian Vogel) "Dub The Mighty Dragon"
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At 11:06 AM 7/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines I really dig a lot of Cristian Vogel's releases. I>I really dig a lot of Cristian Vogel's releases. I >can't wait to find this in the shops! Anyone heard the >new Meteorites "Dub The Mighty Dragon" release on Rise >Robots Rise?
Reading the info at no-future.com, it appears that Cristian Vogel has really nothing to do with this release (beyond putting it out on his label). It is actually Max Turner (who has done releases with Patric C, Gonzales, etc on AudioChocolate and Lost Treasures compilations) and Marcus Rossknecht (whom I've not heard of before). I've got it on order but haven't heard it yet. Hope it is better than the last SuperCollider (which paled when compared to the first). But there are reviews at no-future.com if you look. JJTar --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org