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2003-04-07 18:17Sean Horton [idm] Tell hell with the term IDM
2003-04-07 18:44daniel RE: [idm] Tell hell with the term IDM
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2003-04-07 18:17Sean HortonI am an Electronic Music producer and DJ and I have particular interest in Techno and IDM
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I am an Electronic Music producer and DJ and I have particular interest in Techno and IDM (in all their off shoots). I feel the constant need to categorize electronic music will eventually be the demise of it. "IDM": Personally I can't stand the term IDM, but I have become accustom to using it as of late because of the recent press IDM has gotten (people know want I am talking about when I use the term IDM). To me singling out music that is "Intelligent" is pompous, separatist and arrogant beyond belief. I would like to think that all music has an intelligent thought process behind it, or at least some level of commitment and talent. I get annoyed when I post a new electronic artist on the list and someone responds with "that's not IDM" like there is some formula to what is intelligent dance music. Lately I have been bomb-blasted for mentioning Techno on the list. I guess Techno is now considered unintelligent as well. "Ambient": I have never used the term or really heard the term "Ambient Techno" and to me this is a bit of a contradiction. Growing up in Detroit and being a Techno lover for well over a decade I would describe Techno us upbeat, totally synthetic, often grating, sometimes funky, better never ambient. The term ambient (in relation to music) was coined by Brian Eno on the linear notes to his 1973 album "Discreet Music". Eno refers to "Ambient Music" as background music that should be played at low volumes. The term Ambient took on a different musical connotation during the early to mid 90's when all those "Ambient" compilations starting popping up. Artist like Future Sounds of London, Pete Namlook and Jonah Sharp started exploiting the term, which eventually came to represent the washy, arpeggio ridden, soundscapes (usually beatless) of modern (digital) electronic music. I still use Eno's reference point when using the term. "Glitch": Of all the terms describing modern electronic music I would consider "Glitch" to be the geekiest, yet most descriptive (accurately). I glitch in the digital audio world is an audible mistake in the wave form, often achieved when a sample is properly truncated. The sound that is created is a sort of high pitched "pop" that happens so quickly that it is often missed, almost subliminal. Artists like Oval, Pole, Microstoria, Matmos and Jan Jenilek have taken these "glitches" (which used to represent sloppy wave form editing/sampling) and exploited them to create rhythms and new sound textures. "Glitch Dub", "Micro House", "Glitch Techno" are all terms I have used and heard used to describe this new form of electronic production (purely digital). The sound of digital imperfection!!!! I personally see electronic music branching out in a similar fashion to Jazz (my other love). Jazz had a humble, almost accidental beginning forged by racial tension, cultural integration, music complexity, intellectualism and nostalgia. Replace the instrumentation (trumpet for a synth) and you have a very similar progression of underground, predominantly instrumental, cultural diverse (on language barrier), fragmented, progressive music. Like Jazz, electronic music has several schools and that list grows almost every day. To me this need to categorize/intellectualize is what destroyed the progress of Jazz. Be Bop alienated so man Jazz fans with its hyper speed soloing and intangible melodic progressions. IDM represents that alienation to me and although I enjoy music that is often place into the IDM category, I feel the whole idea of IDM is a hindrance to the progression of electronic music. Sincerely, Sean Patrick Horton (a.k.a. Nordic Soul) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-07 18:44danielI think people in general worry too much about using 'genres' for identification of music.
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Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:44:12 -0500
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I think people in general worry too much about using 'genres' for identification of music. Some people do it out of musical elitism, some genuinely seek other terminology for clarity. IDM is just a catch-all phrase, despite it's original connotations. However, categorization is a necessary component of the music industry/artistry. -daniel -----Original Message----- From: Sean Horton [mailto:sean_horton@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 1:17 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] Tell hell with the term IDM I am an Electronic Music producer and DJ and I have particular interest in Techno and IDM (in all their off shoots). I feel the constant need to categorize electronic music will eventually be the demise of it. "IDM": Personally I can't stand the term IDM, but I have become accustom to using it as of late because of the recent press IDM has gotten (people know want I am talking about when I use the term IDM). To me singling out music that is "Intelligent" is pompous, separatist and arrogant beyond belief. I would like to think that all music has an intelligent thought process behind it, or at least some level of commitment and talent. I get annoyed when I post a new electronic artist on the list and someone responds with "that's not IDM" like there is some formula to what is intelligent dance music. Lately I have been bomb-blasted for mentioning Techno on the list. I guess Techno is now considered unintelligent as well. "Ambient": I have never used the term or really heard the term "Ambient Techno" and to me this is a bit of a contradiction. Growing up in Detroit and being a Techno lover for well over a decade I would describe Techno us upbeat, totally synthetic, often grating, sometimes funky, better never ambient. The term ambient (in relation to music) was coined by Brian Eno on the linear notes to his 1973 album "Discreet Music". Eno refers to "Ambient Music" as background music that should be played at low volumes. The term Ambient took on a different musical connotation during the early to mid 90's when all those "Ambient" compilations starting popping up. Artist like Future Sounds of London, Pete Namlook and Jonah Sharp started exploiting the term, which eventually came to represent the washy, arpeggio ridden, soundscapes (usually beatless) of modern (digital) electronic music. I still use Eno's reference point when using the term. "Glitch": Of all the terms describing modern electronic music I would consider "Glitch" to be the geekiest, yet most descriptive (accurately). I glitch in the digital audio world is an audible mistake in the wave form, often achieved when a sample is properly truncated. The sound that is created is a sort of high pitched "pop" that happens so quickly that it is often missed, almost subliminal. Artists like Oval, Pole, Microstoria, Matmos and Jan Jenilek have taken these "glitches" (which used to represent sloppy wave form editing/sampling) and exploited them to create rhythms and new sound textures. "Glitch Dub", "Micro House", "Glitch Techno" are all terms I have used and heard used to describe this new form of electronic production (purely digital). The sound of digital imperfection!!!! I personally see electronic music branching out in a similar fashion to Jazz (my other love). Jazz had a humble, almost accidental beginning forged by racial tension, cultural integration, music complexity, intellectualism and nostalgia. Replace the instrumentation (trumpet for a synth) and you have a very similar progression of underground, predominantly instrumental, cultural diverse (on language barrier), fragmented, progressive music. Like Jazz, electronic music has several schools and that list grows almost every day. To me this need to categorize/intellectualize is what destroyed the progress of Jazz. Be Bop alienated so man Jazz fans with its hyper speed soloing and intangible melodic progressions. IDM represents that alienation to me and although I enjoy music that is often place into the IDM category, I feel the whole idea of IDM is a hindrance to the progression of electronic music. Sincerely, Sean Patrick Horton (a.k.a. Nordic Soul) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-08 14:10EggyToastdaniel said: > I think people in general worry too much about using 'genres' for > identif
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daniel said:
quoted 2 lines I think people in general worry too much about using 'genres' for> I think people in general worry too much about using 'genres' for > identification of music. Some people do it out of musical elitism,
some
quoted 3 lines genuinely seek other terminology for clarity. IDM is just a catch-all> genuinely seek other terminology for clarity. IDM is just a catch-all > phrase, despite it's original connotations. However, categorization is > a necessary component of the music industry/artistry.
it's like saying you listen to "rock" or "music made with a guitar, bass, and drummer." Perhaps not that vague, but as there really are a lot of styles of electronic music since it mixes both standard pop techniques with more esoteric orchestrated techniques along with weird stuff that you can't get outside of electronic music, there really does deserve to be more clarification in what the different parts sound like. Ultimately, you can get hung up on what the different things are generally called, refer to it all as one blanket term so that no one understands what you're talking about, and any recommendations you give or receive end up totally useless. Or you can simply enjoy the music, use the terms, and be happy the music exists in the first place. Cos really -- does it matter that "idm" is called "idm?" it's like complaining about an artist's name or the title of an album (witness all the "cornfield" jokes). It's purpose is to make it easier to find similar music. Otherwise you ask for "electronic" music and you get everything from Autechre to some crappy mp3.com trance. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-09 11:37nethedsnap ant, dj from super numeri will come down from the great north and spin some tuneage o
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