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Yes, "or something like that." Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied sentiment... However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts or new releases, please post to the list! m.mercer :: design + sound design :: http://www.matthewmercer.com/ sound :: http://www.mattmercer.com/

quoted 36 lines From: Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net>

>From: Christopher Dilkus <cpdilkus@snip.net> >To: isaiah <maryxhelly@yahoo.com> >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] So why was Plone dropped from Warp and not Mira Calix? >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:18:38 -0500 > >Wasn't Ms. Calix banging one of the Autechre boys? Or maybe still is? Or >something like that? > >Chris > >On Monday, March 10, 2003, at 05:12 AM, isaiah wrote: > >>so you really thought plone was all that great? >>It sounded rather like silly generic nintendo style >>music to me. >>I dont know, I mean, it seems at least that Mira Calix >>is attempting something idiosyncratic and novel. But >>really, ae rule the roost. >> >>--- "Mark E. Fleschler" <mef@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote: >>>After listening to Skimsitta, that's how I feel. >>> >>>Sample usage is unimaginative, synth tone is >>>uncreative, and the song >>>structure is absent. Mostly a play of textures and >>>rhythms that sounds >>>amateurish. My guess is that her tutor from Ae (I >>>forgot which one) left >>>her to her own devices on this record, and it sure >>>sounds like it. >>> >>>There are so many better artists that deserve to be >>>on Warp (for the exposure). >>> >>>-mark

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Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM and have original talent. Mira Calix does not. Sadly, and I intentionally didn't want to bring this up in my original post because of the 'female/male issue' (i just wanted to focus on the music), I actually believe Warp continues to keep her on BECAUSE she's female. If she was a guy, she would never have been signed. And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple releases had tracks "co-produced" with Gescom. Pin Skeeling has some familiar Autechrish sounds as well. Connect the dots. So, sadly, she's cheated her way in so to speak. She never mailed a demo. She worked at Warp and liked some of the tunes, then became "friends" with Sean Booth, had some help with producing, and with their support was easily signed and writing an album. Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. Shit she should only now be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel she's not exactly earned her way to where she is. Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the poppy route) could happily fit in with that 'Warp family' and help continue the label's tradition of quality releases. To me, her existence there taints their image. Maybe I'm too harsh, I don't know. at least i'm topical. -Mark M Mercer wrote:

quoted 12 lines Yes, "or something like that."

> > Yes, "or something like that." > > Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit > presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to > Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female > artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one > has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied > sentiment... > > However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts > or new releases, please post to the list!

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Mark wrote:

quoted 6 lines Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM

> Neotropic should be easy proof of a female artist who can produce IDM > and have original talent. Mira Calix does not. Sadly, and I > intentionally didn't want to bring this up in my original post because > of the 'female/male issue' (i just wanted to focus on the music), I > actually believe Warp continues to keep her on BECAUSE she's female. If > she was a guy, she would never have been signed.

you assume alot hhhmmm....do you work at warp and know what those folks think and why they signed her ? or any artist for that matter.....

quoted 10 lines And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple

> > > And as far as my "tutor" comment, that was true. Her first couple > releases had tracks "co-produced" with Gescom. Pin Skeeling has some > familiar Autechrish sounds as well. Connect the dots. So, sadly, she's > cheated her way in so to speak. She never mailed a demo. She worked at > Warp and liked some of the tunes, then became "friends" with Sean Booth, > had some help with producing, and with their support was easily signed > and writing an album. >

so when an artist collaborates or has a co producer they are cheating ?

quoted 5 lines Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist

> > Take away the mastering and quality equipment and you have an artist > who's a good 2 years away from getting signed. Shit she should only now > be thinking about mailing demos. I just feel she's not exactly earned > her way to where she is.

you should do PR for warp, see if they are hiring//.... someone commented earlier that lots of artists leave the list, i can certainly see why. Mira's credibility shouldnt be called into questioned, what Warp artist do you know would remix a relatively unknown artist simply because she liked the music, and was paid only in copies of a ltd ed 600 copy 7".......i am speaking from experience and direct dealings with her Mira Calix is a class act all around cj

quoted 28 lines Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the

> > Machine Drum, Nautilus, Fennesz, or even Ulrich Schnauss (to go the > poppy route) could happily fit in with that 'Warp family' and help > continue the label's tradition of quality releases. To me, her > existence there taints their image. > > Maybe I'm too harsh, I don't know. at least i'm topical. > > -Mark > > M Mercer wrote: > > > > > Yes, "or something like that." > > > > Although I'm personally not a big fan of her work, it's a bit > > presumptuous to draw the conclusion that she owes her career to > > Autechre because of her ties to one of its members, as if a female > > artist cannot stand on her own -- what year is this, anyway? No one > > has said as much outright although it seems to be the implied > > sentiment... > > > > However I do miss Plone a lot, so if anyone hears of their whereabouts > > or new releases, please post to the list! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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