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2003-01-17 15:58Patrick Norris Re: [idm] promos glued in players
└─ 2003-01-17 16:02Ryan Verner Re: [idm] promos glued in players
└─ 2003-01-17 17:38The REAL Mxyzptlk Re: [idm] promos glued in players
2003-01-17 17:24seeklektek [idm] 2003: The Year the Music Industry Dies - Wired Magazine, 2/2003
└─ 2003-01-17 17:39Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music Industry Dies - Wired Magazine, 2/2003
└─ 2003-01-17 19:03skism RE: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music Industry Dies - Wired Magazine, 2/2003
├─ 2003-01-17 18:36Bob Bannister RE: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music Industry Dies - Wired Magazine, 2/2003
└─ 2003-01-17 18:59svin [idm] music industry must die- and music art should remain
└─ 2003-01-17 19:10Jeff/Ninja Tune Re: [idm] music industry must die- and music art should remain
└─ 2003-01-17 19:18svin [idm] who needs labels?
├─ 2003-01-17 19:24Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] who needs labels?
│ ├─ 2003-01-17 19:32Ryan Verner Re: [idm] who needs labels?
│ │ └─ 2003-01-17 19:35Brett Dietsch Re: [idm] who needs labels?
│ ├─ 2003-01-17 19:49svin [idm] labels and stuff:a good mechanic can do a job with just a few tools
│ └─ 2003-01-17 21:37Kent williams Re: [idm] who needs labels?
│ └─ 2003-01-17 23:19clic Re: [idm] who needs labels?
│ └─ 2003-01-17 23:29Jeff/Ninja Tune Re: [idm] who needs labels?
└─ 2003-01-17 19:44Andrew Hime Re: [idm] who needs labels?
├─ 2003-01-17 19:55svin [idm] well, you know what KIND of labels i mean))))
└─ 2003-01-17 20:16EggyToast Re: [idm] who needs labels?
2003-01-17 23:34seeklektek Re: [idm] who needs labels?
2003-01-18 02:14tolga Re: [idm] who needs labels?
└─ 2003-01-18 04:38svin [idm] thats a spirit- kill the middle man!
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2003-01-17 15:58Patrick NorrisSometimes I think I should glue my squarepusher Cd's into my player. It wouldn't change an
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Sometimes I think I should glue my squarepusher Cd's into my player. It wouldn't change anything they never leave the player anyway.... Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a screwdriver, and some aligator clips it wouldn't be hard to get a copy...I'm just sayin'...... P _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 16:02Ryan Verner-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:58:14 -0500 "Patrick
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:58:14 -0500 "Patrick Norris" <untitledartist@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a> Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a > screwdriver, and some aligator clips it wouldn't be hard to get a > copy...I'm just sayin'......
Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a copy. If they want the damn player back, claim it got broken in some strange freak accident involving the dog, duct tape and rubbe.. actually, never mind. If they want the player back, well, hell, send it back, perhaps with a few more inflicted "injuries" ;-) R
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2003-01-17 17:38The REAL MxyzptlkA > > Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a > > screwdriver
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quoted 2 lines Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a> > Oh and how does that stop copyright infringement, with 30 minutes, a > > screwdriver..,
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quoted 2 lines Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a>Alternatively just rip out the cd in the worst way you could and grab a >copy.
Well, it seems to me that a 'reviewer' needs stuff to review and one might prize being on a promo list of a label which carries the ilk of Ae. It would not seem like too much of a logical leap to assume that any such option would probably delete your address from the promo list F-A-S-T. It's a matter of counting the cost. Merely having a copy or uploading such to a filesharing network hardly seems like sufficient reward for losing a valuable promo connection if you are in the biz of reviewing. And record companies DO watch ebay for advance copies which are posted before release. I bought something from a store in a used bin and put it up a few weeks back which turned out to be 3 weeks ahead of the release date. Instinct saw it, complained to ebay and the auction was shut down and I was warned that relisting would result in suspension. My guess is that this promo on ebay is only up there (still, I mean - if it is as of yet) because it is a cassette. Assuming it's a Warp release, they have not been historically amenable to incidents of this nature. As I wrote to someone else offlist, it's like ice on a lake in Winter after a long warm spell...just because you see other people on it is no certainty that it will hold you up. I would extend that simile to the aforementioned instance of returning a tampered player to the company, except that I think I would change the season to Summer and suggest that the observer may be experimenting with psychotropic substances :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 17:24seeklektekhttp://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=110&xlc=922185 Music industry woes Ame
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http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.cfm?xla=saen&xlb=110&xlc=922185 Music industry woes America's music industry - especially its record producers - is under attack from all sides, says Wired (February), the high-tech magazine. Blaming music piracy, the magazine says performers, equipment manufacturers and "good old-fashioned customers ... are killing the record labels." CD sales fell 11 percent in the first half of 2002, after a 3 percent decline in 2001. "At least a hundred copies of every song on the Billboard Hot 100 were available for download (on the Internet)," Wired says. The article, in Wired's Feb.2003 issue, on newsstands now, opens with a prediction by the late Timothy White, editor of Billboard, that the Music Industry will die in 2003. Aw, gee: wouldn't that be too bad?! ;) .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 17:39Brett DietschOn Friday, January 17, 2003, at 12:24 PM, seeklektek wrote: > > The article, in Wired's Fe
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 12:24 PM, seeklektek wrote:
quoted 6 lines The article, in Wired's Feb.2003 issue, on newsstands now, opens with a> > The article, in Wired's Feb.2003 issue, on newsstands now, opens with a > prediction by the late Timothy White, > editor of Billboard, that the Music Industry will die in 2003. Aw, > gee: > wouldn't that be too bad?! ;)
probably, yeah it would be. dont get me wrong, im not a big fan of labels and everything, but they are a semi-necessary evil. if noone buys the cd's and everyone pirates them, the companies no longer have any reason to put out cd's, which in turn means noone has cd's to pirate, which reinstates the need for cd distribution, which.... well.. go back to the beginning. hell yes, i pirate music. i also buy what i like and trash what i dont. most people just pirate music. im not pulling a moral high ground pose here, but seriously.. if the industry goes away, any hope at decent distribution will also go away. i _LIKE_ having access to artists all over the world, being able to find almost any genre of music, and lots that i've never heard of. no industry, no distribution, less choices. now, if only the industry would play nice.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:03skismDidn't I read somewhere that the Industries loss in sales was actually due to a drop in pr
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Didn't I read somewhere that the Industries loss in sales was actually due to a drop in production, which they tried to cover up in order to have some ammunition for the war against p2p? But in the end I can't see the Industry disappearing anytime soon... Their revenues are still huge so the worst I can see happening is a little belt tightening or maybe the odd merger and acquisition here and there. What's great about capitalism is that it gives an opportunity for small more efficient companies to adapt to new circumstances where the larger companies are too bloated and inefficient to change in time to deal with them. But I guess the music industry is a little different due to the fact that it's dealing with peoples taste (or lack of), so who knows.. But even if they did all go bust it wouldn't be much of a problem for most of the people on this list, who i'm sure buy much of their music in specialist stores stocked full of independant music? ...skism
quoted 42 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: Brett Dietsch [mailto:elph@lawngnome.org] > Sent: 17 January 2003 17:40 > To: seeklektek > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] 2003: The Year the Music Industry Dies - Wired > Magazine, 2/2003 > > > > On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 12:24 PM, seeklektek wrote: > > > > The article, in Wired's Feb.2003 issue, on newsstands now, opens with a > > prediction by the late Timothy White, > > editor of Billboard, that the Music Industry will die in 2003. Aw, > > gee: > > wouldn't that be too bad?! ;) > > probably, yeah it would be. > dont get me wrong, im not a big fan of labels and everything, but they > are a semi-necessary evil. > if noone buys the cd's and everyone pirates them, the companies no > longer have any reason to put out cd's, which in turn means noone has > cd's to pirate, which reinstates the need for cd distribution, > which.... well.. go back to the beginning. > > hell yes, i pirate music. i also buy what i like and trash what i > dont. most people just pirate music. im not pulling a moral high > ground pose here, but seriously.. if the industry goes away, any hope > at decent distribution will also go away. > > i _LIKE_ having access to artists all over the world, being able to > find almost any genre of music, and lots that i've never heard of. no > industry, no distribution, less choices. > > now, if only the industry would play nice.. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-17 18:36Bob BannisterSkism wrote: >Didn't I read somewhere that the Industries loss in sales was actually due t
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Skism wrote:
quoted 1 line Didn't I read somewhere that the Industries loss in sales was actually>Didn't I read somewhere that the Industries loss in sales was actually
due to a drop in production, which they tried to cover up in order to have some ammunition for the war against p2p?> I don't know about that but here's an analysis that's sort of pertinent - this is Douglas Wolk, writing in the Village Voice in March 2002 about the year 2001. <Overall record sales declined last year for the first time in two decades. (Of course, everyone had a bad year in 2001, and a close look at the figures reveals something curious: 2001's sales dropped by 22.3 million discs, or about 3 percent, but 2001's top 10 albums sold, in aggregate, 20.3 million fewer copies than 2000's top 10. Hybrid Theory was no No Strings Attached, Shaggy was no Eminem, and there's your difference right there.) > http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0212/wolk.php Bob --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 18:59svini copy my music, except some albums that i tend to buy directly from producer/label, which
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i copy my music, except some albums that i tend to buy directly from producer/label, which is pirating and i will be doing so untill the pricing will become realistic -about $1 for an album directly to the producer if the time you spent on copying is a value to you- you'll be buying, so figures __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:10Jeff/Ninja Tunewow $1...that's generous. What do you suppose the mark up on your shoes is? Jeff > From: s
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wow $1...that's generous. What do you suppose the mark up on your shoes is? Jeff
quoted 8 lines From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com>> From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] music industry must die- and music art should remain > > and i will be doing so untill the pricing will > become realistic -about $1 for an album directly > to the producer
quoted 29 lines From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com>> From: svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:59:37 -0800 (PST) > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] music industry must die- and music art should remain > > i copy my music, except some albums that i tend > to buy directly from producer/label, which is > pirating > > and i will be doing so untill the pricing will > become realistic -about $1 for an album directly > to the producer > > if the time you spent on copying is a value to > you- > you'll be buying, > > so figures > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-17 19:18svini dont really know why i need labels if all you need to produce and sell - is a)computer b
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i dont really know why i need labels if all you need to produce and sell - is a)computer b)web __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:24Brett DietschOn Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:18 PM, svin wrote: > i dont really know why i need labe
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On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:18 PM, svin wrote:
quoted 5 lines i dont really know why i need labels if all you> i dont really know why i need labels if all you > need to produce and sell - > is > a)computer > b)web
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:24:33 -0500 Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org> wrote:
quoted 1 line and all you need to fix a car is a screwdriver and a hammer.> and all you need to fix a car is a screwdriver and a hammer.
And sticky tape. R - -- Ryan Verner <xfesty@computeraddictions.com.au> PGP: 5819 DE5D B5AE 9381 7E60 5B4C 45CC 64DF D3CC EB07 MSN: dev.festy@start.com.au IRC: xf/irc.oublinet.net EQ: [46 Bard] Mummer Hummer (Human) PH: +61 418 186 604 (*) cynical: a word used by the frightened to describe the realistic. [PGP signature removed] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:35Brett DietschOn Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:32 PM, Ryan Verner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSA
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quoted 8 lines Hash: SHA1> > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:24:33 -0500 Brett Dietsch <elph@lawngnome.org> > wrote: > >> and all you need to fix a car is a screwdriver and a hammer. > > And sticky tape.
NO. screwdriver and hammer. anything above and beyond leads to corporate pollution and selfish dystopian capitalism. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:49svinyou are right, actually, do you know that equipment used by Robert Hood the guy from Under
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you are right, actually, do you know that equipment used by Robert Hood the guy from Underground Resistance was- simple synthesizer,placed on ironing board, roland909 and one (mono!) speaker, because his mixer was mono __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 21:37Kent williamsI don't know if it's even wise to start in replying to this, but I have been around the bl
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I don't know if it's even wise to start in replying to this, but I have been around the block a few times on this ... A record label is an entity that represents specialization of function. The label finds artists, arranges production and distribution, and handles promotion. It's easy to recognize that someone who makes music doesn't necessarily know anything about how to mass produce their CDs or records. Music making is a different sort of activity than the industrial production of standardized products. It's also true that if a musician has a bunch of money, say $1500 they can find someone on the internet to do that work for them. A record label that produces many products can take advantage of economies of scale to lower the cost of production. Anyone who's ever actually had a CD or Record of their music pressed can tell you that even if you sell all the copies, you're not making anything near a living wage. And promotion is another activity of which musicians may not have a serious grasp. They may be downright horrible at it. They may have trouble convincing their friends and neighbors to listen to their music, much less a sufficient quorum of strangers. People who are good at promotion, and enjoy it, may have no musical talent! The ideal situation is for people to specialize in the things for which they have a talent, and work together towards a goal. The most successful and long lived labels are those run by businessmen, not musicians. Businessmen who may have an ear for music, but more important, a talent for organization, promotion, and persuasion. If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard time coming up with one person who really has done it all themselves. On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Brett Dietsch wrote:
quoted 12 lines On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:18 PM, svin wrote:> > On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:18 PM, svin wrote: > > > i dont really know why i need labels if all you > > need to produce and sell - > > is > > a)computer > > b)web > > and all you need to fix a car is a screwdriver and a hammer. > >
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2003-01-17 23:19clic> >If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard >time coming u
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quoted 4 lines If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard> >If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard >time coming up with one person who really has done it all themselves. >
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2003-01-17 23:29Jeff/Ninja Tunenope. He had various business partners over the years for his label ventures. Sure they fu
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nope. He had various business partners over the years for his label ventures. Sure they fucked him over, but they were business partners nonetheless. Ian McKaye is probably the person closest to the "did it all myself" model I can think of. Although he obviously had the help of others along the way also. Jeff
quoted 17 lines From: clic <clic@btinternet.com>> From: clic <clic@btinternet.com> > Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:19:54 +0000 > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] who needs labels? > >> >> If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard >> time coming up with one person who really has done it all themselves. >> > > Frank Zappa > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-01-17 19:44Andrew HimeOn Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: >i dont really k
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 5 lines i dont really know why i need labels if all you>i dont really know why i need labels if all you >need to produce and sell - >is >a)computer >b)web
Because if you want to do something more and better than a CD-R, a label can front the cash. They can also get out the word about your release. It's a helping hand. Quit telling people I serve no purpose! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 19:55svinstill, the middle men can be cut on all levels ___________________________________________
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[idm] well, you know what KIND of labels i mean))))
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2003-01-17 20:16EggyToast>On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) > svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: >>i dont real
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quoted 11 lines On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:18 -0800 (PST)>On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:18:18 -0800 (PST) > svin <svinrave@yahoo.com> wrote: >>i dont really know why i need labels if all you >>need to produce and sell - >>is a)computer >>b)web > >Because if you want to do something more and better than a CD-R, a >label can front the cash. They can also get out the word about your >release. It's a helping hand. >
Plus, a label has a history and a 'sound' to many people. Like Jeff posted, a label does act as a filter of sorts, but it also works as a funnel. If you buy a few things from a small label and like what you hear, you're going to look at the rest of their catalog to see what you might also like. It's like when you buy *anything* and they send you a catalog of things that they also sell. If you like one product, you're likely to go back to them for more. There's nothing out on Eggtastic Industries now, and if there ever is, it probably won't sell very well. Compare that to some no-name coming out on Ninja Tune. Who do you think will sell more, regardless of the music quality -- the no-name on Ninja Tune, or the no-name on no-name? Record labels do more than just put music out -- the good ones put out good music :D derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- commerce soon: eggtastic.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-17 23:34seeklektekFrom: "clic" Subject: Re: [idm] who needs labels? > >If you can do that all on your own, m
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quoted 2 lines If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard> >If you can do that all on your own, more power to you. But I have a hard > >time coming up with one person who really has done it all themselves.
quoted 1 line Frank Zappa> Frank Zappa
Guffaw. "...did it all" himself? Really? Tell that to Don Van Vliet. .o0O}seeklektek{O0o. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-18 02:14tolgai dont need a label to share my music . labels r traditionalists..i havent got too much mo
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i dont need a label to share my music . labels r traditionalists..i havent got too much money or power but internet is easy way to share our music... manual era > mechanic era > magnetic era > digital era > ... i dunno next one... digital era is end of the music labels... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-01-18 04:38svinyou got a real vision there __________________________________________________ Do you Yaho
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[idm] thats a spirit- kill the middle man!
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