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How did we go from MBM to British Hip Hop Slams? I mean, did anyone really consider Dangers an .... MC??? Anyway. two points: 1) New MBM unfortunately is getting stigmatized as "industrial". rivets, leather, etc. Too bad, as the tracks with Z-Trip are right on. 2) British hip hop slams over US by avoiding the street references. Too much bravado and ego in the US stuff, who has the biggest gun and joint junk. Where as UK stuff goes straight for the heart of the matters. (On many occasions at least). Folks like Taskforce, Blade [though he seems to be a bit one-track-minded], Gunshot, Skinnyman [Ok, lots of drug references there, but he is on], Aspects, Toastie Taylor, etc. Anyway, there are enough decent UK and US hip hop folks that there is no need to front on one over the other. Both have their "stars". Now what I would like to hear is some of them MCs on top of some MBM tracks. That'd be the ticket. (On a final, and mostly unrelated, note...the prior DJ Vadim beats the new one hands down.) Me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines 2) British hip hop slams over US by avoiding the

> 2) British hip hop slams over US by avoiding the > street references. Too > much bravado and ego in the US stuff, who has the > biggest gun and joint > junk.

I think that's a broad overgeneralization. Sure, a lot of the commercial crap is like that, but that doesn't comprise the whole of US hip hop. Take a look at some groups/artist such as tribe called quest, gang starr, genelic & memphis reign, any of the quannum collective, j-live etc etc. And of course there's antipop consortium, and who knows what the hell they are rapping about. In any hip hop culture you'll find the people with the egos rappin about gats and bitches, and you'll also find real mcs who tear up the mic without referencing all that shit. Brandon. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 11 lines I think that's a broad overgeneralization. Sure, a

>I think that's a broad overgeneralization. Sure, a >lot of the commercial crap is like that, but that >doesn't comprise the whole of US hip hop. Take a look >at some groups/artist such as tribe called quest, gang >starr, genelic & memphis reign, any of the quannum >collective, j-live etc etc. And of course there's >antipop consortium, and who knows what the hell they >are rapping about. In any hip hop culture you'll find >the people with the egos rappin about gats and >bitches, and you'll also find real mcs who tear up the >mic without referencing all that shit.

Agreed. And I'm not even commenting on the content when I say "british rap is bad," I'm only talking about the technical aspect of rapping. Rap itself is very punctuated, choppy, and the best stuff is delivered quickly. I mean, there's a reason that idm with chopped up [american] rap sounds so good. I'm not sure if it's just the british rap that I've heard, but even the stereotypical "urban black" dialect in the US is based around a very rhythmic matter of speaking. That just doesn't exist in the stereotypical "british accent" (and if you want to know what a british accent is and don't have a brit at hand, go up to any white college kid (preferrably male and quite geeky looking) and ask him. He'll happily demonstrate), and the lack of vowel variation ends up making a 'british rap' too much like 'trying to read bad poetry over a beat.' Maybe it's just that there's too much british trip-hop with people trying to rap over it :) But give me aesop rock over any of that, any day. derek -- eggytoast.com -------------- you'll shoot your eye out --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

its not really fair of us to criticize uk hiphop too much.. they do try very hard.. but alas british and european peoples lack one thing that the american urban culture has.. rhythm. the british mcs have very weak flows. (plus the producers mix that shit all wrong. they turn the vocals up too much, and the beat is all weak and drowned out by the music samples, when the kicks and snares should be the loudest thing...) there are definitely exceptions, im sure.. and they will develop that british mc style into a new genre that will be huge, im sure.. until then i'll continue to listen to pharoahe monch (np. organized konfusion: stress(the extinction agenda) ..what!?what!?) In a message dated 10/30/02 10:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, eggy@eggytoast.com writes:

quoted 10 lines I'm not sure if it's just the british rap that I've heard, but even

> I'm not sure if it's just the british rap that I've heard, but even > the stereotypical "urban black" dialect in the US is based around a > very rhythmic matter of speaking. That just doesn't exist in the > stereotypical "british accent" (and if you want to know what a > british accent is and don't have a brit at hand, go up to any white > college kid (preferrably male and quite geeky looking) and ask him. > He'll happily demonstrate), and the lack of vowel variation ends up > making a 'british rap' too much like 'trying to read bad poetry over > a beat.' >

British and US hip-hop both pale in comparison to Japanese hip-hop!!! Steady and Co. forever!!!! dave On 10/30/02 11:51 AM, "CAPOIIEE@aol.com" <CAPOIIEE@aol.com> wrote:

quoted 29 lines its not really fair of us to criticize uk hiphop too much.. they do try very

> its not really fair of us to criticize uk hiphop too much.. they do try very > hard.. but alas british and european peoples lack one thing that the american > urban culture has.. rhythm. the british mcs have very weak flows. (plus the > producers mix that shit all wrong. they turn the vocals up too much, and the > beat is all weak and drowned out by the music samples, when the kicks and > snares should be the loudest thing...) > > there are definitely exceptions, im sure.. and they will develop that british > mc style into a new genre that will be huge, im sure.. until then i'll > continue to listen to pharoahe monch (np. organized konfusion: stress(the > extinction agenda) ..what!?what!?) > > > In a message dated 10/30/02 10:04:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, > eggy@eggytoast.com writes: > > >> I'm not sure if it's just the british rap that I've heard, but even >> the stereotypical "urban black" dialect in the US is based around a >> very rhythmic matter of speaking. That just doesn't exist in the >> stereotypical "british accent" (and if you want to know what a >> british accent is and don't have a brit at hand, go up to any white >> college kid (preferrably male and quite geeky looking) and ask him. >> He'll happily demonstrate), and the lack of vowel variation ends up >> making a 'british rap' too much like 'trying to read bad poetry over >> a beat.' >> > >

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