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2002-07-24 22:24Bryan Finoki RE: [idm] Re: Ae
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2002-07-24 22:24Bryan FinokiWhat there is to "get" with art: Surely, people are not assuming this word in this context
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Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:24:43 -0700
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What there is to "get" with art: Surely, people are not assuming this word in this context refers to the answer to the problem the equation of an art piece puts forward, because that would be way too stinking and petty of a literal interpretation of the word, art, in this context. What there is to 'get' is an appreciation, understanding, an open regard for the artist's intent. That, in no way presumes that the intent is the same thing as the final output of experience from the piece, (for no matter how familiar you may be with an artist's intent the actual experience of what they are hoping to achieve may always still evade you) but at least we can make attempts to understand and appreciate the process of turning intent into some experiential. And while leaving ourselves open to whatever experience results from the piece we can still try to unravel our experience in the framework of knowing what they are aiming for. I think a lot of people out there listen and like autechre but don't seem to respect what it is they are trying to do. Now who the hell really knows what they are trying to do with their music, besdies the obvious - push the medium, constantly evolve from themselves. I am sure we all have our theories. But to fault them for wanting to perform in total blackness, or because Confield is yet another succesful departure from their previous sound as well as the mass blanketing of sound out their saturating the scene, is crazy. When people get into judging the artists according to their own expectations or visions for how they should evolve, that is what people don't get, and is a not fair to the artists. Autechre is at the point now where people expect them to sound the same, after they have transformed this far. I dont think they give a shit. But it is definitely a misgiving for those fans who do. Its kinda of a fan hypocrisy, go autechre go, push it, evolve, oh but now that you have achieved this amazing sound over the years, stay the same, dont change anymore, its sounding too whatever......confield is an achievment, change in a place and time with an artform that is difficult to do right now. -----Original Message----- From: EggyToast [mailto:eggy@eggytoast.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:37 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Re: Ae At 02:01 PM 7/24/2002 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 1 line Why should music require something inherent to "get" in the first place?>Why should music require something inherent to "get" in the first place?
I agree to a point. Nearly all of the music I like I listened to and found *something* I liked on the first listen. Sometimes it took a while to really get into it, but there was nearly always something that stood out to me. Whether it be a particular sound, an overall vibe, or whatever. Oddly enough, the stuff I didn't really "get" on the first listen was always leaning more towards the simple side, rather than the complex side. For example, when I first listened to "music has the right to children," I thought "what's the big deal?" I thought it was sort of boring and I "didn't get it." I listened to it about a month later and realized that I really dug it. So usually it's the stuff that's beguiling simple, rather than technically complex, that takes me a while to "get." Perhaps I'm jaded by listening to more "complex" music in the first place :D Or maybe music that devotes so much energy to being technically complex should rather devote energy to being "good." derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-07-25 03:06danielCan we just agree that Music is subjective and end this thread? -daniel ------------------
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Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:06:22 -0500
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Can we just agree that Music is subjective and end this thread? -daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org