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2001-12-05 00:13Julia Matusov Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties
└─ 2001-12-05 01:04EggyToast Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties
2001-12-05 02:32Nathan Lueckenhoff Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties
└─ 2001-12-05 02:51EggyToast Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
├─ 2001-12-05 17:29Kyle Rawlins Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
└─ 2001-12-05 21:26Justin Lovero Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
2001-12-05 18:05Paul Webb Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
└─ 2001-12-05 18:59Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3 Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
└─ 2001-12-05 19:09Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
2001-12-05 19:12Kris Burwash Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Panties
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2001-12-05 00:13Julia MatusovI agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about Blonde Redhead, th
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I agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about Blonde Redhead, they tour like 5 times a month or something like that. The Fall maybe... dont know where they're at right now, I am sure they are burned out and faded by now. Shellac was exciting like 5 years ago. Dinogah is boring, or at least what i heard of them. I agree with whoever said Melt Banana rocks the house... otherwise, blah... I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little stab... And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? (Please dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not intended to begin any boring discussion) sorry, sorry, may gods punish me for all eternity for being unable to resist responding to this.
quoted 28 lines From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu>>From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> >Reply-To: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:33:16 -0700 > >Jesus man, disappointed?? THREE performances by Shellac per weekend...why >you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention >Blonde >Redhead, Dianogah, The Fall (!), Low, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma (after >what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music isn't >'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully boring >live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic Youth's >American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I to be >a resident of the UK. > >-Nathan > > > > >bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, > > > >although there's some fine indie choices, there's > > > >not one electronic act on the bill. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-12-05 01:04EggyToast>And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? >(Please dont answer
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quoted 3 lines And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?>And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? >(Please dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking >question not intended to begin any boring discussion)
Actually, the use of rhetorical questions is precisely to encourage further discussion. They're not "unanswerable," just simply not answerable with a short, concise answer. They're questions used to aid in the art of persuasion, and their standard form is often followed by a slight discourse by the interrogator. For instance, a real use of a rhetorical question, in this context, would be as follows: And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? Badmouthing the main topic of the list is nothing new, and often encouraged, but just adding an offhanded comment like you did only makes it look like you are an elitist snob who assumes electronic music puts on a poor show without any examples to back it up. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- everyone's doing it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 02:32Nathan Lueckenhoff> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > have to be
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quoted 6 lines I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little
stab... Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking his attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture. I do find most electronic acts boring live (save Autechre, Kid606 and a few local acts). In the context of discussing the lack of electronic acts in a festival setting (i.e. LIVE) I simply wanted to express my opinion about the subject without starting endless debate about a topic that's been played out. Seems completely on topic to me. So I'm not sure how that was perceived as an irritatingly sneaky jab...whateva. I assure you the tingly sensation I'm feeling at the moment has naught to do with my message.
quoted 1 line And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?> And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?
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quoted 2 lines dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not> dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not > intended to begin any boring discussion)
Well I suppose the fact that I was ranting about 'rock' bands and was then misinterpreted would lead to this question. Answer should be obvious tho. -Nathan P.S. Blonde Redhead have missed the last 2 scheduled gigs around these parts...! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 02:51EggyToastAt 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > > > I am glad that someone is excited about th
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At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 12 lines I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you> > > > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music > > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little >stab... > >Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll >notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. >You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking his >attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture.
:D Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an "indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some faint enjoyment with the music. And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out of control! ------- eggytoast.com ------- everyone's doing it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 17:29Kyle RawlinsLamb were good when I saw them in central park (though it was a very short set). I'm also
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Lamb were good when I saw them in central park (though it was a very short set). I'm also given to understand that underworld are good in open air shows, though I've only seen them inside. Of course, both of these might be said to have a certain amount of popular appeal in their music. In fact, with the amount of ringing I hear these days when things are quiet, I'd almost rather see acts outside. Some of the places where indoor shows I've seen have been may have had good acoustics, but I can't really think of a [non-classical, non flecktones] concert that used them all that effectively. And most of them you can't see what's going on, either. Maybe I've just been to the wrong shows. -kyle r On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:51:20PM -0600, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 8 lines different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about> different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about > an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* > good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much > usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an > "indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor > electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or > anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some > faint enjoyment with the music.
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2001-12-05 21:26Justin LoveroUnderworld @ The Coachella Festival '99. It sounded great, looked great, & there was plent
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Underworld @ The Coachella Festival '99. It sounded great, looked great, & there was plenty of interaction with the audience. It was one of the best live performances I've ever seen, electronic or otherwise. --- EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> wrote:
quoted 1 line Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor> Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor
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2001-12-05 18:05Paul WebbThe Big Chill has always been a good festival which concentrates on live electronic/dance
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The Big Chill has always been a good festival which concentrates on live electronic/dance acts. Last summer Matthew Herbert gave the crowd something to watch as well as listen to, and Tom Middleton's revision of the 76:14 album with a choir was pretty tasty. >>Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some faint enjoyment with the music. .. .. .. .. .. . . .. . . . --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 18:59Johan @ (K-RAA-K)3at 05-12-2001 19:05, Paul Webb (paul@digitlondon.com) wrote: Last year i saw Patrick Herna
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at 05-12-2001 19:05, Paul Webb (paul@digitlondon.com) wrote: Last year i saw Patrick Hernandez performing a 30+ minute set of "born to be alive" in Les Alpilles (centre of Provence/France). Allthough this song was one of my most hated songs ever, it completely set me off on more Pastis and olives... Off course the surroundings (outside in a complete natural surrounding without a house 10 km around you), the drinks, and being on holiday helped a lot. Still, great fun and one of the best dance (i'm not sayng electronic) acts ever saw. And what about Depeche Mode around say 1983-84??? i remember attending a festival where they were criticised a lot because of their electronics on stage. I was critical at first as well, but i remember clearly they completely "rocked" the place. Big Black (ha, Albini again) used Roland as official drummer, so they qualify as electronic band as well then:))) They certainly were very impressive on pukkelpop. other thrilling outside electronic bands witnessed were Kraftwerk (off course), early Nitzer Ebb, early Front 242, sometimes Mouse on Mars, La fura Del Baus, To Rococo rot when they feel like it and look out for Lali Puna next year on probably every festivalground in the world. The general feeling is that a lot of electronic bands don't get the chance to play the bigger stages outside simply because of the dance-aspect, or visual aspect. personally i don't care if it's indie/guitar or electronica which is on stage. If the music is really good, nobody should mind because you're there to experience the music. Visuals become more and more important, but the problem is people are mostly concentrating on the visuals or the music but very rarely both. It's a challenge isn't it?
quoted 28 lines The Big Chill has always been a good festival which> The Big Chill has always been a good festival which > concentrates on live electronic/dance acts. > > Last summer Matthew Herbert gave the crowd something > to watch as well as listen to, and Tom Middleton's > revision of the 76:14 album with a choir was pretty tasty. > > > >>> Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor electronic show? And I > don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or anything where you were > obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some faint enjoyment with the > music. > > > ... > .. > .. > .. .. . . .. . . . > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-12-05 19:09eric@synthesizer.org>Visuals become more and more important, but the problem is people are >mostly concentrati
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quoted 2 lines Visuals become more and more important, but the problem is people are>Visuals become more and more important, but the problem is people are >mostly concentrating on the visuals or the music but very rarely both.
Instead of all this "blame the fan" stuff, how about throwing a little light on the promoters who choose venues where the only thing to do is to stare at the stage or bar? The tradition seems to be to flip a coin, "stage or danceclub?" and stop the brain right there. I'm sure people would love to do something besides stare at motionless laptop manipulators, given a choice. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-12-05 19:12Kris Burwashcompletely off list topic, but i think one of the bigger issues concerning the ATP series
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completely off list topic, but i think one of the bigger issues concerning the ATP series is that it is currently a nice indie concert series, but so was lolopalooza...for a couple of them, and then it became it bad MTV "alternative" tour..i'm curious how many they host before someone waves a bunch of money in front of them and then someone like limpbizcut is hosting it. all good things must end. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org