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2001-02-28 13:56s k [idm] vinyl?
├─ 2001-02-28 14:10Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] vinyl?
│ ├─ 2001-02-28 14:25Rev Simon Rumble Re: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ └─ 2001-02-28 14:34Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ └─ 2001-02-28 14:45Rev Simon Rumble Re: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ ├─ 2001-02-28 02:55EggyToast Re: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ │ ├─ 2001-02-28 15:02Jeremy Axon [idm] WARP 82 & WAP 147
│ │ │ └─ 2001-02-28 15:34Gee Why [idm] the real answer to Re: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ └─ 2001-03-02 07:31Konstantin Minko RE: [idm] vinyl?
│ │ └─ 2001-03-02 20:23Jeff Birgbauer [idm] turntables was re: vinyl?
│ └─ 2001-02-28 14:27Simon Dennis RE: [idm] vinyl?
└─ 2001-02-28 17:32i Re: [idm] vinyl?
└─ 2001-02-28 17:40atomly Re: [idm] vinyl?
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2001-02-28 13:56s kExcuse my ignorance, but i have a kind of simple question. Why is so much released on viny
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Excuse my ignorance, but i have a kind of simple question. Why is so much released on vinyl? Is it simply for the DJs? If it's not just for the DJs, why not release only on cd? Just curious
2001-02-28 14:10Konstantin MinkoOhhh, no... another eternal thread just about to begin... 8) In a simple language...Vinyls
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Ohhh, no... another eternal thread just about to begin... 8) In a simple language...Vinyls are an analogue source of music which makes it more closer to the original sound than digital ones like CDs (no conversion of analogue sound stream into digital "ones and zeros" - hence no loss of sound information). Vinyls have more natural, deep and atmospheric sound than CDs though have much worse noise/signal ratio and have clicks and bops in the surface... Digitalisation of sound did not manage to level with natural sound of vinyl yet. That's why many audiophiles prefer vinyls over cds.... Alien np. MD - Appelsap
quoted 11 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: s k [mailto:sicklecellboy@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:56 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] vinyl? > > > Excuse my ignorance, but i have a kind of simple question. Why > is so much released on vinyl? Is it simply for the DJs? If it's > not just for the DJs, why not release only on cd? Just curious >
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2001-02-28 14:25Rev Simon RumbleOn Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:42PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > In a simple language
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:42PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered:
quoted 8 lines In a simple language...Vinyls are an analogue source of music which makes it> In a simple language...Vinyls are an analogue source of music which makes it > more closer to the original sound than digital ones like CDs (no conversion > of analogue sound stream into digital "ones and zeros" - hence no loss of > sound information). Vinyls have more natural, deep and atmospheric sound > than CDs though have much worse noise/signal ratio and have clicks and bops > in the surface... Digitalisation of sound did not manage to level with > natural sound of vinyl yet. That's why many audiophiles prefer vinyls over > cds....
Bollocks! Sure vinyl doesn't get converted to digital but you pay for that in distortion. Well-mastered, fresh, unscratched vinyl is a joy to listen to on high-end sound gear. Unless your sound system cost in the order of tens of thousands, you won't pick the difference. Besides, you can't shove a bunch of vinyl in your bag and listen to it at work, can you :P Pleased to say I've never owned a record player in my life. (Unless you count the gramophone I bought in a market for $2 when I was a kid.) -- Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK simon@rumble.net http://www.rumble.net The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. -- Confucius --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 14:34Konstantin Minko>On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:42PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > > > In a simple lan
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quoted 27 lines On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:42PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered:>On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:42PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > > > In a simple language...Vinyls are an analogue source of music > which makes it > > more closer to the original sound than digital ones like CDs > (no conversion > > of analogue sound stream into digital "ones and zeros" - hence > no loss of > > sound information). Vinyls have more natural, deep and atmospheric sound > > than CDs though have much worse noise/signal ratio and have > clicks and bops > > in the surface... Digitalisation of sound did not manage to level with > > natural sound of vinyl yet. That's why many audiophiles prefer > vinyls over > > cds.... > > Bollocks! Sure vinyl doesn't get converted to digital but you pay for > that in distortion. Well-mastered, fresh, unscratched vinyl is a joy > to listen to on high-end sound gear. Unless your sound system cost in > the order of tens of thousands, you won't pick the difference. > > Besides, you can't shove a bunch of vinyl in your bag and listen to it > at work, can you :P > > Pleased to say I've never owned a record player in my life. (Unless > you count the gramophone I bought in a market for $2 when I was a kid.) >
Hmm. Why then I was able to hear the difference even on the cheap 200$ record player with ordinary Yamaha 300$ amplifier and more than ordinary Sony speakers 300$ at my friends house all the time? I must be kind of special.. ;) btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some good advice on what to seek in 500-1000$ range? Alien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 14:45Rev Simon RumbleOn Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > Hmm. Why then I was
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered:
quoted 4 lines Hmm. Why then I was able to hear the difference even on the cheap 200$> Hmm. Why then I was able to hear the difference even on the cheap 200$ > record player with ordinary Yamaha 300$ amplifier and more than ordinary > Sony speakers 300$ at my friends house all the time? I must be kind of > special.. ;)
Because vinyl's physical properties boost the high end making it sound "warmer". You can get the same effect with a decent graphic equaliser in line between your CD player and amp.
quoted 2 lines btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some good advice on> btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some good advice on > what to seek in 500-1000$ range?
Tonearm and stylus is everything, from what I hear. PS: Could you quote something less than the entire message? -- Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK simon@rumble.net http://www.rumble.net A drama critic is a person who surprises a playwright by informing him what he meant. -- Wilson Mizner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 02:55EggyToastAt 02:45 PM 2/28/2001 +0000, you wrote: >On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstan
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At 02:45 PM 2/28/2001 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 10 lines On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered:>On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > > > Hmm. Why then I was able to hear the difference even on the cheap 200$ > > record player with ordinary Yamaha 300$ amplifier and more than ordinary > > Sony speakers 300$ at my friends house all the time? I must be kind of > > special.. ;) > >Because vinyl's physical properties boost the high end making it sound >"warmer". You can get the same effect with a decent graphic equaliser >in line between your CD player and amp.
Plus a little bit of the good ol' placebo effect. mm placebos..
quoted 5 lines btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some good> > btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some good > advice on > > what to seek in 500-1000$ range? > >Tonearm and stylus is everything, from what I hear.
cartridge too (or did you include that in stylus?). Remember that the original argument was "why release this stuff on vinyl?" not "which is better?" So, to answer the original question - because most of the people who release music aren't worried about charting, and think it's kinda cool to get a slab o' wax. It's a personal preference on the part of the artist, 8 times out of 10. Plus, vinyl looks more impressive stacked up :) So, to rehash the thread for the bajillionth time - *Personal**Preference* cheers, /derek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 15:02Jeremy AxonWARP 82: v/a: ROUTINE WAP 147: Squarepusher: My Red Hot Car when and what.... -- -- Jeremy
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WARP 82: v/a: ROUTINE WAP 147: Squarepusher: My Red Hot Car when and what.... -- -- Jeremy Axon www.objectools.com 243 College St. Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5T 1R5 416.955.0856 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 15:34Gee WhyI just wanted to point this out in case it got lost: On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, EggyToast wrote:
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I just wanted to point this out in case it got lost: On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 6 lines Remember that the original argument was "why release this stuff on vinyl?"> Remember that the original argument was "why release this stuff on vinyl?" > not "which is better?" So, to answer the original question - because most > of the people who release music aren't worried about charting, and think > it's kinda cool to get a slab o' wax. It's a personal preference on the > part of the artist, 8 times out of 10. >
it's a fetish thing. It's vinyl, it's cool. It makes it more exclusive. vinyl has more personality, there's an etching on the run out, and there's the chance that if you don't treat it carefully enough it can easily be ruined. I can go on.. Of course now that my vinyl collection has increased 5 fold I dread moving... Anyway I record all my vinyl to CD for archival/ease of use purposes. -Gil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-02 07:31Konstantin Minko> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > > > Hmm. Why then
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quoted 10 lines On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered:> On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:34:26PM +0200, Konstantin Minko uttered: > > > Hmm. Why then I was able to hear the difference even on the cheap 200$ > > record player with ordinary Yamaha 300$ amplifier and more than ordinary > > Sony speakers 300$ at my friends house all the time? I must be kind of > > special.. ;) > > Because vinyl's physical properties boost the high end making it sound > "warmer". You can get the same effect with a decent graphic equaliser > in line between your CD player and amp.
No. I do not use equalizers at all. They just distort the sound in the most unbearable ways. There is a difference between clean and manupulated sound. I prefer clean one. Don't know about you...
quoted 5 lines btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some> > btw. I'm planning to by myself one. Could anyone give me some > good advice on > > what to seek in 500-1000$ range? > > Tonearm and stylus is everything, from what I hear.
Ahem. I meant to ask what kind of records players (brands, models) are worth checking out in the range between 500-1000$.... Could you give less stupid advices?
quoted 1 line PS: Could you quote something less than the entire message?> PS: Could you quote something less than the entire message?
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2001-03-02 20:23Jeff BirgbauerKonstantin, > Ahem. I meant to ask what kind of records players (brands, models) are worth
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Konstantin,
quoted 2 lines Ahem. I meant to ask what kind of records players (brands, models) are worth> Ahem. I meant to ask what kind of records players (brands, models) are worth > checking out in the range between 500-1000$
for home decks in this price range, audiophiles prefer... rega planar 3 (the new 2000 version) which is a big improvement over previous version apparently. it will cost about $1000, that's with a decent cartridge in the $250 range. it comes with an excellent tonearm from what i've read. i don't have one but i hope pick one up one day. for $500 i think the Music Hall MMF-5 is supposed to be pretty good Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 14:27Simon Dennisdon't mean to be picky, but can we keep it to 'vinyl', not plural 'vinyls' i.e. "many peop
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don't mean to be picky, but can we keep it to 'vinyl', not plural 'vinyls' i.e. "many people prefer vinyl to cd's" vinyl is a material, not an individual product like a cd is. singular: vinyl plural: vinyl singular: cd plural: cd's you may hate me now, but you'll thank me one day. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-28 17:32iIts a plot by petroleum manufacturers to get you hooked on oil and it's so you can show of
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Its a plot by petroleum manufacturers to get you hooked on oil and it's so you can show off to yer mates: "look here's me new rekkid" - you "wow you're cool!" - yer mates cos everybody's got CDs nowadays -i --- s k <sicklecellboy@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 3 lines Excuse my ignorance, but i have a kind of simple question. Why is so much> Excuse my ignorance, but i have a kind of simple question. Why is so much > released on vinyl? Is it simply for the DJs? If it's not just for the DJs, > why not release only on cd? Just curious
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2001-02-28 17:40atomlyOn Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 09:32:31AM -0800, i wrote: > Its a plot by petroleum manufacturers
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 09:32:31AM -0800, i wrote:
quoted 2 lines Its a plot by petroleum manufacturers to get you hooked on oil and> Its a plot by petroleum manufacturers to get you hooked on oil and > it's so you can show off to yer mates:
CDs are made from petroleum. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org