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1998-10-07 14:21Philip Raffaele> that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song or two he has > done is go

From:: Philip Raffaele <PR6947@cnsvax.albany.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 10:21:58 -0400
Subject:: (idm) Syd Barrett

quoted 5 lines that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song or two he has

> that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song or two he has > done is good, but his authorship seems irrelevant (since there was really > no intention behind it as he's completely fucking bugger). > > am i making sense? probably not. it's a matter of opinion, i guess.

You're making sense but you've got a few facts wrong. First he wasn't always insane, he just snapped one day (according to a recent interview with Rick Wright). So a lot of his stuff was written when he was fully functional. Second, being insane does not mean you are completely devoid of all conscious thought. Crazy people think, too. There's just a low signal to noise ratio. -Michael I read a lot about Barrett when i was younger, and it was never apparent that he snapped one day. Everyday, he would take sugarcubes drenched in lsd and sometimes he would just stand on stage and play one chord for the whole show. A lot of the songs he wrote on the madcap laughs are pure nonsense, but then again, most of the songs on ummagumma are too and if im correct, waters ended up writing a lot of those.(ie:several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict, by waters) i dont have to remind all of you that many insane people created the best art ever made, with vangogh as an example, (but i read that the reason he went insane is because he drank so much absynthe.) just my 2cents. philip:

1998-10-07 15:14wellsAt 10:21 AM 10/7/98 -0400, Philip Raffaele wrote: >A lot of the songs he wrote on the madc

From:: wells <s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu>
To:: Philip Raffaele <PR6947@cnsvax.albany.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:14:57 -0400
Subject:: Re: (idm) Syd Barrett
Reply to:: (idm) Syd Barrett

At 10:21 AM 10/7/98 -0400, Philip Raffaele wrote:

quoted 10 lines A lot of the songs he wrote on the madcap laughs are pure nonsense, but

>A lot of the songs he wrote on the madcap laughs are pure nonsense, but >then again, most of the songs on ummagumma are too and if im correct, >waters ended up writing a lot of those.(ie:several species of small furry >animals gathered together in a cave and grooving with a pict, by waters) >i dont have to remind all of you that many insane people created the best >art ever made, with vangogh as an example, (but i read that the reason he >went insane is because he drank so much absynthe.) > >just my 2cents. >

irrelevant, but i thin van gogh went insane because paint used to be made with lead in his days, and painters are wont to lick their brushes... but then, i'm no art major, so i'm not sure. :: wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu / http://mute.simplenet.com :: 'try to smile as they devour our youth'

1998-10-07 15:20martin burbridge> > that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song > or two he has > > done

From:: martin burbridge <mbridge@imagicians.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:20:46 -0400
Subject:: RE: (idm) Syd Barrett
Reply to:: (idm) Syd Barrett

quoted 9 lines that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song

> > that's what i mean when I say Syd Barrett sucks. maybe a song > or two he has > > done is good, but his authorship seems irrelevant (since there > was really > > no intention behind it as he's completely fucking bugger). > > > > am i making sense? probably not. it's a matter of opinion, i guess. > > You're making sense but you've got a few facts wrong.

no, no, no. he may be being provocative, but he's not making any sense. he is saying that to validate art it needs to have been created with the intent to come out the way it did. pardon me but this definition is utter bollocks, and would exclude any artist who has attempted to inject some chance into the outcome of their work, whether it be jackson pollock splashing paint or aldous huxley scoffing acid. and this is ignoring the number of absolutely bobbins artists who are just born that way. whether its an accident of birth or some deliberate mind altering fuckery, art is always more interesting to me when there's some madness in the mix. and i don't think any number of happy accidents or severe mental disability can discredit authorship, because that's just arguing that someone with a physical or mental illness doesn't count as a person any more. but yes, just being nuts doesn't make anyone great. at anything. -martin

1998-10-07 16:24as beautiful as the chance encounter of a sewing machine and an umbrella on an operating table.At 11:20 AM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote: [snip] Does it strike anyone else as ironic that we'

From:: as beautiful as the chance encounter of a sewing machine and an umbrella on an operating table. <ogre@netaxs.com>
To:: IDM <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:24:30 -0400
Subject:: RE: (idm) Syd Barrett
Reply to:: RE: (idm) Syd Barrett

At 11:20 AM 10/7/98 -0400, you wrote: [snip] Does it strike anyone else as ironic that we're having an argument here about the level of insanity in art on an e-mail list "devoted" to people like Richard D James, Tom Jenkinson, and the V/Vm crew? -- andrij.

1998-10-07 16:46eric> Does it strike anyone else as ironic that we're having an argument here > about the leve

From:: eric <ehill@best.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) Syd Barrett
Reply to:: RE: (idm) Syd Barrett

quoted 3 lines Does it strike anyone else as ironic that we're having an argument here

> Does it strike anyone else as ironic that we're having an argument here > about the level of insanity in art on an e-mail list "devoted" to people > like Richard D James, Tom Jenkinson, and the V/Vm crew?

yeah, no kidding. those artists have the most calculated music and identities of pretty much anybody discussed here. eric onnow: jake mandell:midwest(lucky kitchen)

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