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Re: (idm) What to buy then? (was: the gear thread)

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1998-03-27 03:57Graham the Happy Scum Re: (idm) the gear thread, cheap boxes
└─ 1998-03-27 06:09Stephen Blackpool Re: (idm) What to buy then? (was: the gear thread)
1998-03-27 07:32siliconvortex Re: (idm) What to buy then? (was: the gear thread)
1998-03-27 19:23RBigger590 Re: (idm) What to buy then? (was: the gear thread)
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1998-03-27 03:57Graham the Happy Scum> > This is really true, imo, as I've seen some amazing programming and eq'ing > > around
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quoted 11 lines This is really true, imo, as I've seen some amazing programming and eq'ing> > This is really true, imo, as I've seen some amazing programming and eq'ing > > around the crappiest gear that sounds great in the end and doesn't have > > noise that mastering couldn't fix anyway. It is all in the programming, > > like what soundmaking potential a peice of gear is designed to do is > > really only 10% of the music-making issue compared to the potential for > > programming it in an interesting way (90% of the potential of the gear) > > Programming & Composition is really the thing that is neglected, whereas > > it should be 90% of what a electronic musician is doing. Most people I > > know are gear-shopping half of the time, basically procrastinating the > > time that they should spend staring at the little LCD's and pushing > > buttons.
Yep. It takes a lot of work to get good results out of gear, whether crappy or expensive. I dare say there are a few people out there with money to burn that if the new bit of gear they've just gotten out of the box doesn't make the sound they want, they head back to the shop and buy something else, without actually trying to do anything 'complicated' with their new toy. You might have to muck around with gear a lot, trying out sounds, techniques, and once you've got the hang of it, you've got a new skill to channel your musical instincts through. Remember, the gear in your heads pretty important to.
quoted 13 lines Well, as i posted a question earlier about sound quality, i> Well, as i posted a question earlier about sound quality, i > thought i would add my opinion. I have no money to spend on gear, > and all i have is a computer with a crap sound card and a mic. The > music i've made with JUST THAT is(IMO, i don't have outsiders > opinions yet) good. In fact, more interesting than much of the > electronica i hear from time to time. My only worry is that the > sound quality isn't fit for releasing the material, hence, > countless wasted hours. Wouldn't it be wise to spend a little more > and get gear that does give out good sound quality? The bare > minimum might be good enough to compose good music, but not good > enough to release. I've never bought an electronica CD that has > as much hiss as my pieces, and if it did, i would return it, > because it is quite annoying.
pain, isn't it. Anyway, I've fair bit of module tracking over the past couple of years, on a 8-bit SB (urgh!), for most of that period, though I bought a 16-bit generic ESS thingy, which means I can at least do mods in stereo. Anyway, I quite like some of the stuff I've done, but it's unreleasable at this stage. I'm going to wait until I get a new computer (just as well I've got a job now) and some MIDI gear, since certain things done in mods do sound a bit cheesy. It shouldn't be too hard to translate say the keys and pads and squawking acid parts to MIDI, though I'll keep using a tracker to do rhythm parts with samples, since they're great for that. It will probably take me a year to accumulate the gear I need, but whilst I'm saving up, I'm quite happy to continue doing stuff on the tracker. -- Graham the Happy Scum KSC KotF (G H Freeman to some) gths@flat-earth.org Grudnuk says : Eat Meat, It's Cool! FNORD http://www.mpx.com.au/~gths 'Whether it's God or the Bomb it's just the same it's only Fear under another name' - Max Q, _Way of the World_
1998-03-27 06:09Stephen BlackpoolOk, agreed, a musician should put more effort into making music out of the gear he/she has
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Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:09:51 -0500
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Ok, agreed, a musician should put more effort into making music out of the gear he/she has rather than focusing on getting the most technically advanced stuff out there... my question is, for someone who wants to start laying down beats and tracks, what's the basic gear to start with(?), being as specific as possible (price range $1000-$1500)?...gear that is still "professional" in all aspects? this would be a really big help to me... Thanks in Advance, Stephen Blackpool.
quoted 6 lines Yep. It takes a lot of work to get good results out of gear, whether>Yep. It takes a lot of work to get good results out of gear, whether >crappy or expensive. I dare say there are a few people out there >with money to burn that if the new bit of gear they've just gotten >out of the box doesn't make the sound they want, they head back to >the shop and buy something else, without actually trying to do >anything 'complicated' with their new toy.
1998-03-27 07:32siliconvortex>laying down beats and tracks, what's the basic gear to start with(?), being >as specific
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quoted 3 lines laying down beats and tracks, what's the basic gear to start with(?), being>laying down beats and tracks, what's the basic gear to start with(?), being >as specific as possible (price range $1000-$1500)?...gear that is still >"professional" in all aspects? this would be a really big help to me...
pentium pc, soundblaster 64 gold, event gina soundcard, spirit folio mixer. <waves>
1998-03-27 19:23RBigger590In a message dated 98-03-27 02:28:47 EST, you write: << From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.
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In a message dated 98-03-27 02:28:47 EST, you write: << From: artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk (siliconvortex) Sender: idm-owner@hyperreal.org To: idm@hyperreal.org >laying down beats and tracks, what's the basic gear to start with(?), being >as specific as possible (price range $1000-$1500)?...gear that is still >"professional" in all aspects? this would be a really big help to me... pentium pc, soundblaster 64 gold, event gina soundcard, spirit folio mixer. <waves> >> to jump on this thread- yeah but then what software? (someone mentioned some kind of software from "voyager" (sp?) I deleted message by mistake :( also, do you think a 90 mhz pentium will work? (found one cheap but dont want to get it unless i can use for music...) -thad