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At 03:07 PM 9/30/97 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Can someone briefly explain the significance of Sueno Latino? I finally

> >Can someone briefly explain the significance of Sueno Latino? I finally

got to

quoted 6 lines hear it through the remix CD on Avex. I recognized the fluttering sound that

>hear it through the remix CD on Avex. I recognized the fluttering sound that >Bukem nicked for Devil's Theme. But I remember there were some other reasons >why this was an IDM milestone of sorts, something to do with Derrick May and >Carl Craig? Also, who is M. Gottsching, one of the co-writers? I remember >reading about him, but I grow old and senile every day. >

It all begins with Manuel Gottsching and his 1984 electronic masterpiece called E2-E4. Many consider this 60 minute piece to be one of the first electronic dance tracks. You'll hear many of the detroit legends attribute Manuel's E2-E4 as a big influence. In fact, E2-E4 still sound quite fresh even today. Several years later an Italian act called Sueno Latino decided to remake E2-E4 into a much dancier house track. Sueno Latino's remake called "Sueno Latino" went on to become one of house's first "hits." There were a host of remixes released on Italy's DFC and Belgium's Buzz label including some by Carl Craig and Derrick May. Recently there was a new set of remixes released on the Distinctive UK label which include the classic Craig & May remixes. Carl then used healthy bits of E2-E4 for his 1994 Paperclip People classic "Remake" which was released on Planet E and Open UK. Carl then had Basic Channel remix his "Remake" track. I believe several other IDM acts have sampled Gottsching's E2-E4. Future Sound of London and Bukem are two that come to mind. E2-E4 related must haves: . Maneul Gottsching: E2-E4 CD (Racket Records) . Sueno Latino: The Dream Remixes 12" (DFC) . Sueno Latino: Derrick May remixes CD/12" (Buzz) . Sueno Latino: 1997 remixes CD/2x12" (Avex) . Paperclip People: Remake 12" (Planet E) . Paperclip People: Throw 12" (Planet E) I would highly recommend getting any/all of the above releases. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

Written by "Lance C. McGannon" <mclance@nacs.net> Subject: Re: (idm) Sueno Latino story...

quoted 1 line E2-E4 related must haves:

>E2-E4 related must haves:

quoted 2 lines I would highly recommend getting any/all of the above

>I would highly recommend getting any/all of the above >releases.

nothing much to add to lance's excellent summarisation cept to say that e2-e4 was recorded in 1981, a true formative moment in the evolution of techno, a staple of mixmaster morris & alex patterson's pioneering chill out sets in the late 80's gottsching was the pivotal member of ashra temple [guitarist], one of the definitive early 70's 'kraut rock' outfits, unlike contempories can & kraftwerk's mantric rhythmic hypnotics or amon duul's sprawling free-jazz folk jams, ashra were more on a stratospheric psychedelic trip, check out their wild live album with timothy leary [7-up] or any other releases from 70-76 maurizio's 'domina' was also based on an ashra track from 1976 derrick may's remix is [awesome], next to 'icon' i think it's the best thing he has done, the introduction rises and falls from breathtaking towering crescendos for a full 5 minutes before the beat emerges like a killer whale surfacing for air... stuart @ mfr -- http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/mfr/ cutting edge mail order..elecktronic label [esoteric, non-generic material wanted]

At 10:30 AM 10/1/97 EDT, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines wow...talk about encyclopedic....but, this is the same gottsching of

> >wow...talk about encyclopedic....but, this is the same gottsching of >ashra tempel fame? the frequent klaus schulze collaborator? >

I do believe it is the same gottsching of ashra temple fame and klause schulze collaborator but i'm not as familiar with any of manuel's other work aside from E2-E4. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

quoted 2 lines wow...talk about encyclopedic....but, this is the same gottsching of

> wow...talk about encyclopedic....but, this is the same gottsching of > ashra tempel fame? the frequent klaus schulze collaborator?

Yes. -> http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb/krautrock/ pHinn the maintainer of pHinnWeb - the old skool, the nu skool and the pHuture skool of Finnish electronic music trerra@uta.fi | http://www.uta.fi/~trerra | http://www.sci.fi/~phinnweb

Thanks Lance for:

quoted 1 line E2-E4 related must haves:

>E2-E4 related must haves:

And one of my favorite e2e4 sampling (or at least it sounds like it) tracks, Schizophrenia on Tresor records from 1995. Think there's at least one Maurizio person behind this track. Anyone know the full story on it? -- Dave Parkin dave@thunk.demon.co.uk