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Any word on what the Andrew Coleman ep on Thrill Jockey sounds like? And does anyone know of a Perlon discography/web site? I just picked up a 2x12" comp and it's a killer. Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit Clayton's new 12" on Parallel is well worth picking up. Not his abstract experimental stuff, but solid, deep, tech/house. Really nice. phil

At 08:10 AM 5/19/99 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 4 lines Any word on what the Andrew Coleman ep

> >Any word on what the Andrew Coleman ep >on Thrill Jockey sounds like? >

I picked this one up a few weeks ago. this one is a four tracker of spacey electronica/ post-rock dwelling somewhere between Mouse on Mars, Lithops, Labradford, Bergheim 34 and a Pan Am. It was enjoyable for the few times i listened but i havent had the urge to listen to it lately if that says anything...

quoted 3 lines And does anyone know of a Perlon >discography/web site? I just picked up a

>And does anyone know of a Perlon >discography/web site? I just picked up a >2x12" comp and it's a killer. >

Yes Perlon is an excellent label for those who enjoy abstract punchy tech-house in the vein of herbert, playhouse, etc. The dimbiman 12"s are my favorites on the label. Discography: . Markus Nikolai: Rood 12" (Perlon 01) . Dimbiman: Good Morning Eyeball 12" (Perlon 02) . Hombre Ojo: Manejando Un Carrito 12" (Perlon 03) . Narcotic Syntax: Ultravolta 12" (Perlon 04) . Markus Nikolai: Work Out 12" (Perlon 05) . Dimbiman: Koppchen 12" (Perlon 06) . Ricardo Villalobos: Fussmilch 12" (Perlon 07) . Frank Mueller vs Ricardo Villalobos: Melodrama 12" (Perlon 08) . Pile: Perlipop 12" (Perlon 09) . Superlongevity comp 2x12" (Perlon 10) Official Perlon website at: http://www.mad-net.de/perlon/perlon.html But not much there aside from flashy animations and e-mail links...

quoted 1 line Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit >Clayton's new 12"

>Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit >Clayton's new 12"

on Parallel is well worth picking

quoted 3 lines up. Not his abstract experimental stuff, but

>up. Not his abstract experimental stuff, but >solid, deep, tech/house. Really nice. >

I agree with Phil. The new clayton ep, called 'The Angular Adventures of Kit Clayton in the Land of Sound & Shape,' is a solid piece of abstract deep-techo/tech-house very much in the style of his Cytrax releases. Speaking of Cytrax, the Detention ep, by Clayton & DJ Jasper is also well worth having. Kit can do little wrong in my book and i'm especially excited for The Mimic & the Model #2 which should be out soon. -->-Lance--- mclance@nacs.net lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states

At 19-5-99 -0700 08:10 , you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit Clayton's new 12" on

>Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit Clayton's new 12" on >Parallel is well worth picking up. Not his abstract experimental stuff, but >solid, deep, tech/house. Really nice.

indeed. the velocette remix is even mind blowing! ____________________________________ forcefield | mindless entertainment http://www.sonik.demon.nl/forcefield

i had the chance to see kit clayton play live about a month or so ago at mills college in oakland. that was great. all he used (that i could see, at least) was a lap top and a some sort of sound module. he did stuff similar to his mimic and the model release. great stuff... speaking of parallel i really dig those infinite loops in between the tracks... i think most of the parallel releases have em, right?

quoted 14 lines Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit Clayton's new

>>Finally, I don't think I mentioned this, but Josh Kit Clayton's new >12" on >>Parallel is well worth picking up. Not his abstract experimental >stuff, but >>solid, deep, tech/house. Really nice. > >indeed. the velocette remix is even mind blowing! > > > > ____________________________________ > forcefield | mindless entertainment > http://www.sonik.demon.nl/forcefield >

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quoted 12 lines i had the chance to see kit clayton play live about

> i had the chance to see kit clayton play live about > a month or so ago at > mills college in oakland. that was great. all he > used (that i could > see, at least) was a lap top and a some sort of > sound module. he did > stuff similar to his mimic and the model release. > great stuff... > speaking of parallel i really dig those infinite > loops in between the > tracks... i think most of the parallel releases > have em, right?

I really like the last few release I have heard from him. And the stuff he did on Cytrax 08 with Jasper is really cool. I hope to see him play sometime soon. _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

for those that missed it, josh will be playing 2 live shows in chicago and cleveland, may 15 and 17 respectively. see url for details. m/j *** ** ** * * * ** * * * * * http://www.enteract.com/~egoiste On Fri, 21 May 1999, Will Samuels wrote:

quoted 10 lines I really like the last few release I have heard from

> > I really like the last few release I have heard from > him. And the stuff he did on Cytrax 08 with Jasper is > really cool. I hope to see him play sometime soon. > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com >

well I just figured out that the "nek purpalet" 12" should be played at 45 and I must say I like it much more now. I keep hearing about the 'nek sanalet' 2LP but it hasn't had a general release yet, right? when??? possibly useful content: drop beat is planning a spring tour for chessie and possibly other drop beat artists. contact them through dropbeat.com if you're interested. ethan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Howdy! I was just wondering what albums you folks consider vital to an IDM collection? -and- I got Ischemic Folks last week after the recommendations of several on this list and I must say that nearly all of it (especially R. Devine) sounds quite a bit like Autechre (circa Chiastic Slide)... I was rather disappointed by its lack of freshness. Anyone else think this? Jamie --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 2 lines Howdy! I was just wondering what albums you folks consider vital to an IDM

> Howdy! I was just wondering what albums you folks consider vital to an IDM > collection?

there isn't really anything vital in idm, it's mostly whatever you find that tickles your fancy. most of the 'classic' stuff that's talked about on this list doesn't do much for me. the most interesting music usually ends up being the stuff that gets talked about the least (but, yes, that _may_ just be me). autechre's been copied so relentlessly they're barely interesting anymore (especially since they've taken that 'chiastic' slide down the path of 'incomprehensibility as communication'). the only warp person who's yet to be copied properly is aphex twin circa 'rdj album' (bogdan hasn't even come close) but he seems to have decided to take a long break (understandably) & everyone has inexplicably lost interest in drill n bass (perhaps after it was deemed too playful by members of this list? i hear idm-l has _some_ influence on the music that gets released nowadays, you know... it's the easiest way to know your target market... & to reduce it to a bunch of tonedeaf collectors.) what else is there? oh, there's plenty of minimal techno, but very few gems. & of course, for most of it, 'minimal' is to be understood as 'make the track as unchallenging as possible' rather than the more accurate 'exploit the possibilities with a minimum of means'. if there's a minimal album i could live without, i've yet to hear of it: though, there are interesting artists to look for (but don't ask me who as this genre is not really my bag most of the time). of course why overlook the recent flurry of 'melodic idm' whose idea of melody is a rehash of the dreaded eighties (a sterile period in melodic terms if there's one.) they're fun for a while & easily disposable. of course many of them use either old electro beats (belch) or watered down autechronica & that's usually the best you can get. you won't want to have anything to do with those in a year, so i wouldn't consider those vital. what's left? very little. the few interesting producers usually have little way of promoting their music, little encouragement, & rarely end up producing truly VITAL albums. for most of these guys, a slightly personalized rehash of what's there already is the best they can come up with. very little sense of purpose or whatever, but that's partly because of the scene they come from. but allow me to suggest the following paths, recently released albums which manage to carve a sound of their own out of the always eroding 'idm parameters' & which could be considered 'vital': ~ hrvatski 'oiseaux 96-98' (reckank...) ~ low res 'approximate love boat' (plug research) ~ kit clayton (all recent stuff) ~ lithops (most of it) the bottom line being that idm is an extremely disposable genre. it doesn't mean it's bad or useless. just that you'll find yourself bored with it eventually. especially if it keeps going the way it does.

quoted 4 lines I got Ischemic Folks last week after the recommendations of several on this

> I got Ischemic Folks last week after the recommendations of several on this > list and I must say that nearly all of it (especially R. Devine) sounds > quite a bit like Autechre (circa Chiastic Slide)... I was rather > disappointed by its lack of freshness. Anyone else think this?

ischemic folks = intrinsic variations on the sounds uncovered on chiastic slide. the interest was in the fact that nobody really ever focused on those sounds themselves, but rather in how to integrate them in the (usually) idiotic melody they just came up with to justify 'listenability'. that said, 'ischemic folks' is musically rather bleak, but its rhythmicality can be quite fun to listen to, in a norman mclaren kind of way (though mclaren did it better in the 1950s by scratching pieces of film... what can you do.) have i been bitter & annoying enough by now? i hope so, because i hate to be so. please direct flames elsewhere, intelligent rebukes are welcome. ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On 18 Jan 00, david turgeon wrote re: Re: (idm) Necessary IDM albums /Tho:

quoted 3 lines if there's a minimal album i could live without, i've yet to hear

> if there's a minimal album i could live without, i've yet to hear > of it: though, there are interesting artists to look for (but don't > ask me who as this genre is not really my bag most of the time).

(Do you mean a minimal album you COULD NOT live without?) In one word (or two) : Asteroid by Emmanuel Top (NovaMute). Sheer mindfuck bliss. I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines okay, okay...lots of stuff in here, but what about kit clayton? I've been curious

> okay, okay...lots of stuff in here, but what about kit clayton? I've been curious > about him lately and your recommendation makes me wonder...what does it sound > like? Anything more specific??

kit clayton is essentially mixing dub elements with an idm-friendly sense of production (sparse melodies, the odd noise here & there, a sense of strangeness throughout), combining it all with a knack for the track that just works. 'nek sanalet', his latest album on pole's label ~scape, may remind some of pole (namely, the dubby sound) but the way he builds his tunes has very little to do with the flatter approach mr. betke takes. they are minimal to an extent, but contain enough variation to make an ADDer like me contented, while being coated in some of the most comfortable production i've heard in a long while. (thank you dub) his previous cd on drop beat 'repetition & nonsense' is also a must but it's less dubby & more digital-sounding (containing elements which would be at ease in some mego jam on top of lush four-four beats). both have their heights & their lows. prior to that he's released a flurry of 12"s which lance would be more qualified to tell you about as i don't have them. ~ david --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 05:41 PM 1/18/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines prior to that he's released a flurry of 12"s which lance would be more

>prior to that he's released a flurry of 12"s which lance would be more >qualified to tell you about as i don't have them.

Ok... at david's request, here is the partial list of the earlier works of Kit Clayton. In general Kit's earlier sound also was heavily dub influenced but more in a floor friendly techo style more like his Dropbeat album than his Scape label output. His hardest (ie most percussive) material is on his own Delay label. The exceptions to that are his 4mod3 cd on Phthalo and his mimic & the model 12" which are both in the dubby experimental style. Releases: . Kit Clayton: Negative Powers 12" (Cytrax 04) . Chef By Night: Cholesterol 12" (Cytrax 05) . Kit Clayton: Unreliable Networks 12" (Cytrax 07) . Detention: Tardy 12" (Cytrax 08) . Sutekh: Of Sarcasm & Exhaust 12" (Cytrax 09) . DJ Jasper: The Escape 12" (Cytrax 10) . The Mimic & The Model: 01 12" (The Mimic & The Model) . i-Liner: Beltway 12" (Parallel) . Kit Clayton: The Angular Adventures Of... 12" (Parallel) . DJ Jasper: Delay 01 12" (Delay 01) . DJ Jasper + Kit Clayton Oliver Ho Rmx 12" (Delay 02) . 4mod3: a moment of simplicity cd (Phthalo) . Kit Clayton: $X=$Moles*Avocadoes 12" (Background) Comp appearances... . In Fifth Place comp 12" (Cytrax 02) . Wrapitup comp 12" (Cytrax 03) . Octet comp 2x12" (Organised Noise) . New Horizons comp 12" (7th City) . Voices In My Lunchbox : Vol 1 comp 12" (Plug Research) Remix appearance: . Safety Scissors: Rubber Stamp 12" (Context) -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Any of you happent to have a kit clayton discog ? I've really been into his CD on ~scape and am looking for more similar dubstyled stuf Rob component records http://www.mindstorm.com/component

At 05:46 PM 3/2/2000 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Any of you happent to have a kit clayton discog ?

>Any of you happent to have a kit clayton discog ? >I've really been into his CD on ~scape and am looking for >more similar dubstyled stuf

A quick Kit Clayton Discog... Releases: . Kit Clayton Nek Purpalet 12" (Scape) . Kit Clayton Nek Sanalet cd/2x12" (Scape) . Kit Clayton: Repetition & Nonesense cd/lp (Drop Beat) . Kit Clayton: Negative Powers 12" (Cytrax 04) . Chef By Night: Cholesterol 12" (Cytrax 05) . Kit Clayton: Unreliable Networks 12" (Cytrax 07) . Detention: Tardy 12" (Cytrax 08) . Sutekh: Of Sarcasm & Exhaust 12" (Cytrax 09) . DJ Jasper: The Escape 12" (Cytrax 10) . The Mimic & The Model: 01 12" (The Mimic & The Model) . i-Liner: Beltway 12" (Parallel) . Kit Clayton: The Angular Adventures Of... 12" (Parallel) . DJ Jasper: Delay 01 12" (Delay 01) . DJ Jasper + Kit Clayton Oliver Ho Rmx 12" (Delay 02) . 4mod3: a moment of simplicity cd (Phthalo) . Kit Clayton: $X=$Moles*Avocadoes 12" (Background) Comp appearances... . In Fifth Place comp 12" (Cytrax 02) . Wrapitup comp 12" (Cytrax 03) . Octet comp 2x12" (Organised Noise) . New Horizons comp 12" (7th City) . Voices In My Lunchbox : Vol 1 comp 12" (Plug Research) Remix appearance: . Safety Scissors: Rubber Stamp 12" (Context) . Autopoieses: la vie a noir transposed 2xlp (Mille Plateaux) -->-Lance--- lance@inaudible.com p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 3 lines Any of you happent to have a kit clayton discog ?

>Any of you happent to have a kit clayton discog ? >I've really been into his CD on ~scape and am looking for >more similar dubstyled stuf

i bugged lance for info on kit clayton + friends last week or so.... Releases: . Kit Clayton: Negative Powers 12" (Cytrax 04) . Chef By Night: Cholesterol 12" (Cytrax 05) . Kit Clayton: Unreliable Networks 12" (Cytrax 07) . Detention: Tardy 12" (Cytrax 08) . Sutekh: Of Sarcasm & Exhaust 12" (Cytrax 09) . DJ Jasper: The Escape 12" (Cytrax 10) . The Mimic & The Model: 01 12" (The Mimic & The Model) . i-Liner: Beltway 12" (Parallel) . Kit Clayton: The Angular Adventures Of... 12" (Parallel) . DJ Jasper: Delay 01 12" (Delay 01) . DJ Jasper + Kit Clayton Oliver Ho Rmx 12" (Delay 02) . 4mod3: a moment of simplicity cd (Phthalo) . Kit Clayton: $X=$Moles*Avocadoes 12" (Background) Comp appearances... . In Fifth Place comp 12" (Cytrax 02) . Wrapitup comp 12" (Cytrax 03) . Octet comp 2x12" (Organised Noise) . New Horizons comp 12" (7th City) . Voices In My Lunchbox : Vol 1 comp 12" (Plug Research) Remix appearance: . Safety Scissors: Rubber Stamp 12" (Context) Cytrax discography: Cytrax 01 - Never seen it before. Anybody know this one? . In Fifth Place comp 12" (Cytrax 02) . Wrapitup comp 12" (Cytrax 03) . Kit Clayton: Negative Powers 12" (Cytrax 04) . Chef By Night: Cholesterol 12" (Cytrax 05) . DJ Jasper: Automation 12" (Cytrax 06) . Kit Clayton: Unreliable Networks 12" (Cytrax 07) . Detention: Tardy 12" (Cytrax 08) . Sutekh: Of Sarcasm & Exhaust 12" (Cytrax 09) . DJ Jasper: The Escape 12" (Cytrax 10) . Twerk: Disertation Abstract 12" (Cytrax 11) . Jasper: Ponder 12" (Cytrax 12) Twerk discography: . Twerk: Disertation Abstract 12" (Cytrax 11) . Twerk: Disappointing Human 12" (Context 02) . Twerk & Sutekh: Deadpan Escapement 2x12" (Belief Systems 04) . Twerk vs. Sutekh: s/t 12" (Delay 03) . Cesar vs Twerk: Los Colores 12" (Organised Noise 05) . Twerk: Tide of Events 12" (Planet Rhythm UK 020) . Twerk: Enemies of the State 12" (Organised Noise 08) . Twerk: Oddoties 12" (Template 8.7) . Twerk & Sutekh: Deadpan Escapement - reconstructed cd/2xlp (Context 04) Comp appearances on: . Octet comp 2xlp (Organised Noise 06) . Silicon Sampler v2.4 comp 12" (Resource) later. e.wong