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Heyas.. I have a question about Cleopatra records. What kind of stuff fills up the majority of their releases? -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Hillie wrote:

quoted 1 line What kind of stuff fills up the majority of their releases?

> What kind of stuff fills up the majority of their releases?

Crap.

On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, LOgre wrote:

quoted 5 lines On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Hillie wrote:

> > On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Hillie wrote: > > What kind of stuff fills up the majority of their releases? > > Crap.

I won't bother to reply to this comment (God knows that'll get me into a shitload of trouble) and just say that Cleopatra puts out primarily industrial material, but recently they've been releasing some fair-to-good trance material. Nothing to get excited about, certainly, but not "crap" either. <*>-------- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - The three rules of the Librarians of Time and Space are: 1) Silence; 2) Books must be returned no later than the last date shown; and 3) Do not interfere with the nature of causality. --Terry Pratchett, "Guards! Guards!"

On 17-Jan-97, Berry R. Thrailkill wrote:

quoted 5 lines I won't bother to reply to this comment (God knows that'll get me into

> I won't bother to reply to this comment (God knows that'll get me into >a shitload of trouble) and just say that Cleopatra puts out primarily >industrial material, but recently they've been releasing some fair-to-good >trance material. Nothing to get excited about, certainly, but not "crap" >either.

I was going to send a demo to them, someone told me I should. Personally I don't feel I'm ready for a label, but people can be very insistant, but I'm mostly into ambient and experimental stuff.. -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On 17-Jan-97, LOgre wrote:

quoted 1 line Crap.

>Crap.

hm.. I thought so.. Someone at my school said I should send a demo to Cleopatra.. :Q -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

Cleopatra does a lot of licensing from other labels and various reissues. They have released more than their fair share of lunkheaded industrial dance, but also some good licensed material like Download, and reissues like Kraftwerk and Psychic TV. Possibly worth sending a demo to them, but new acts exclusive to their label are not their main concern, based on their previous releases anyway. --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> ==> MPEG audio clips <== m u s i c : w e b : s o u n d d e s i g n : h t m l : c g i : e t c "We invented machines in order to reduce our work. Now that we have them, we think we should go on working." (John Cage) On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Hillie wrote:

quoted 15 lines On 17-Jan-97, LOgre wrote:

> On 17-Jan-97, LOgre wrote: > >Crap. > > hm.. I thought so.. Someone at my school said I should send a demo to > Cleopatra.. :Q > > -- > Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES > > hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html > easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis > > Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier... > >

Isn't Hypnotic a division of Cleopatra? I've heard some really lame stuff on both Hypnotic and Cleopatra, but I just picked up a System7 album that was on Hypnotic and it was pretty good. I don't see the harm of sending a demo to Cleopatra, anyhow. It couldn't hurt any. kmd

On 21 Jan 1997 19:19 -0800 (-1300), Kelsey wrote to me:

quoted 4 lines Isn't Hypnotic a division of Cleopatra? I've heard some really lame

> Isn't Hypnotic a division of Cleopatra? I've heard some really lame > stuff on both Hypnotic and Cleopatra, but I just picked up a System7 > album that was on Hypnotic and it was pretty good. I don't see the harm > of sending a demo to Cleopatra, anyhow. It couldn't hurt any.

One of my favorite idm records of 1996 was released on Hypnotic... a danish band called Kraftwelt. If you can forgive the undeniably cheesy name, you'll find an album's worth of incredibly well-produced songs leaning towards the experimental electronic side of the techno spectrum. The album I have is called "Electric Dimension" for those interested... I can definitely vouch however the level of crap on Hypnotic, having heard LCD's new album. Imagine a total rip-off of the chemical brothers, with cliche Doom 2 samples. Yecch. onnow: solitaire (fax) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Kelsey wrote:

quoted 1 line I don't see the harm of sending a demo to Cleopatra, anyhow.

> I don't see the harm of sending a demo to Cleopatra, anyhow.

I wouldn't waste the time, personally.. Everything that Cleopatra has in their catalogue that is *good* is licenced from various European labels.. The few bands that they *do* have all fit into that generic 90's "industrial" thing (i.e. 909 drums + oberheim + power metal riffs + distorted screaming).. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try, but I'd send demos to every other label out there first..

quoted 3 lines Heyas.. I have a question about Cleopatra records.

>Heyas.. I have a question about Cleopatra records. > >What kind of stuff fills up the majority of their releases?

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On 18-Jan-97, Ravis1 wrote:

quoted 4 lines Aurafix,

>Aurafix, >I have some stuff I think is ready for a label. What's their mailing >address? Also, it can't hurt to send your own. Any other label address >you have will be very welcome.

Sure, lemme get it for you.. Cleo A&R Hollywood PO Box 1394 Hollywood, CA 90078 Cleo A&R Los Angeles 8726 S. Sepulveda STE D-82 Los Angeles, CA 90045 I reckon you send it to either one. I don't have address for any other labels. Yeah, I suppose I could, but if that label releases stuff that's straight out of the arse, then people will think my stuff is just more crap releases, and I don't want that. :) but I think I'm going to send out demos to every possible label anyway. So, what kind of stuff do you do? I do mostly ambient/acid/experimental. I've been known to do trance also, but not very often. -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Ravis1 wrote:

quoted 4 lines Hillie,

> Hillie, > Much appreciated. Anything I can do for you just ask. If you need > software are looking for something that might be unique to New Orleans, > whatever.

hmm... I've got all the software I need right now. Most of what I need now is hardware :D Of course, I suppose if you're on Amiga, and have any tb-303 emulators, they would be welcome :) -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Mikko Karvonen wrote:

quoted 2 lines I got an Amiga AND a 303-emulator (not realtime tho :/). But I also think that

> I got an Amiga AND a 303-emulator (not realtime tho :/). But I also think that > 303 sucks nowadays :)

Heh ;) Yeah.. Well I dunno, I've heard some good things from it.. Even if not, it would still be fun to play with :) -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Ravis1 wrote:

quoted 9 lines Hillie,

> Hillie, > Sorry for the brief first reply. No, I'm not using an Amiga at all. > Anyway, myself (Ravis1, Travis) and DJ Frixn (Mike Perschall) are into > purely electronic compositions, nothing new there. Everything we get > serious enough to sequence is very danceable. We try to keep it all > intelligent. It intelligent was easy, I guess it wouldn't be intelligent. > We have demos, basically. I wouldn't want to release anything as it is on > the casette I bring around with me to show off. But it's all sequenced and > hard disk recorded so mixing it again won't be overly difficult.

This is basically the case with me. Except, since I'm on Amiga, the samples are only 8-bit, and are a bit crappy due to some electrical grounding problems. Although, this should be fixed soon. If I was going to release stuff though, I agree with you, I wouldn't release anything that many people have heard. -- Hillie aka Aurafix / DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

all of you people out there dissing cleopatra (yes, hypnotic is a part of cleopatra somehow) should check out their extensive catalog at www.hallucinet.com b4 u pass judgement....i think u all may be a bit suprised....not defending, just informing... tom w np: muslimgauze - hamas arc On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 19:19:36 -0800 (PST) Kelsey <anagram@cats.ucsc.edu> writes:

quoted 8 lines Isn't Hypnotic a division of Cleopatra? I've heard some really lame

>Isn't Hypnotic a division of Cleopatra? I've heard some really lame >stuff on both Hypnotic and Cleopatra, but I just picked up a System7 >album that was on Hypnotic and it was pretty good. I don't see the >harm >of sending a demo to Cleopatra, anyhow. It couldn't hurt any. > >kmd >

On 22 Jan 1997 10:53 -0800 (-1300), tweibrecht@juno.com wrote to me:

quoted 4 lines all of you people out there dissing cleopatra (yes, hypnotic is a part of

> all of you people out there dissing cleopatra (yes, hypnotic is a part of > cleopatra somehow) should check out their extensive catalog at > www.hallucinet.com b4 u pass judgement....i think u all may be a bit > suprised....not defending, just informing...

Of the Cleopatra/Hypnotic releases that I'm serviced, there's a rough margin of crap to classics that I find rather unnerving. But I've learned to listen carefully before passing judgement. I mean, I still can't recommend enough Hypnotic's "Kraftwelt" album. It still sends shivers down my spine. onnow: synectics "purple universe" (rephlex) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997 tweibrecht@juno.com wrote:

quoted 3 lines all of you people out there dissing cleopatra (yes, hypnotic is a part of

> all of you people out there dissing cleopatra (yes, hypnotic is a part of > cleopatra somehow) should check out their extensive catalog at > www.hallucinet.com b4 u pass judgement....i think u all may be a bit suprised....not defending, just informing...

Everything I have heard on Hypnotic was pretty generic trance and industrial bands trying to sound techno. I agree with the people dissing the label. I do give them (Cleo) respect for releasing the Kraftwerk box set. I have heard a lot of techno and I have picky taste, it might be good for some but its definitely not for me William Samuels

quoted 1 line I do give them (Cleo) respect for releasing the Kraftwerk box set.

> I do give them (Cleo) respect for releasing the Kraftwerk box set.

That's a waste of perfectly good respect. Cleo only released their Kraftwerk box because they were running out of time on the license for their shittily-repackaged reissues of the three albums in question, and they had to clear their warehouse of the unsold copies before Capitol did a repressing of their own. The box was an attempt to sell off their backstock, nothing more. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

quoted 7 lines I do give them (Cleo) respect for releasing the Kraftwerk box set.

> > I do give them (Cleo) respect for releasing the Kraftwerk box set. > > That's a waste of perfectly good respect. Cleo only released their Kraftwerk > box because they were running out of time on the license for their > shittily-repackaged reissues of the three albums in question, and they had to > clear their warehouse of the unsold copies before Capitol did a repressing of > their own. The box was an attempt to sell off their backstock, nothing more.

Well, I enjoyed the book that was inside as well. I think as a label they suck, but I will give them some credit for releasing a Kraftwerk boxset. William Samuels