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quoted 3 lines the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;)

> >the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;) > > This is even more offensive than "the John Coltrane of the turntable."

ERm its not really that offensive is it!!!!?!?!?!! kF

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

quoted 1 line Saturday's AMP show: FSOL-Amoeba, Underworld-"Born Slippy",

> Saturday's AMP show: FSOL-Amoeba, Underworld-"Born Slippy",

Already shown

quoted 1 line Chemicals, Morcheeba, Paul Hasslinger, Howie B., Alex Reece

> Chemicals, Morcheeba, Paul Hasslinger, Howie B., Alex Reece

Bet they're the ones that they've shown before

quoted 1 line CJ Bolland, Meat Beat

> CJ Bolland, Meat Beat

*Not* shown yet

quoted 1 line ATR "Kids Are United",

> ATR "Kids Are United",

Is this the one that was on last week?

quoted 1 line mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza,

> mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza,

Must be one of those "pioneer" clips (a la Gary Numan, Kraftwerk, Eno) Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff consistently instead of repeating videos? I know there's gotta be lots more videos out there that they can choose from!!! Anyway, just my (disgruntled) opinion. cya brian

quoted 3 lines Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff

>Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff >consistently instead of repeating videos? I know there's gotta be lots >more videos out there that they can choose from!!!

are we talking about MTV here? aren't they the same guys that have about 50 million reruns of Beach House, Music Awards, Movie Awards, Road Rules, etc and have commit to programs for about a month? robert feugate

At 04:13 PM 1/9/97 -0600, Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

quoted 5 lines On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote: > >> ATR "Kids Are United", > >Is this the one that was on last week?

Last weeks was "Speed" I think.

quoted 7 lines mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza,

>> mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza, > >Must be one of those "pioneer" clips (a la Gary Numan, Kraftwerk, Eno) > >Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff >consistently instead of repeating videos? I know there's gotta be lots >more videos out there that they can choose from!!!

I'd still like to see The Box part 2 video...I agree if they're going to put a show like Amp on they should at least put some effort in getting new videos instead of shuffling the order of the old ones.

quoted 9 lines Anyway, just my (disgruntled) opinion.

> >Anyway, just my (disgruntled) opinion. > >cya >brian > > > >

At 4:13 PM 1/9/97, Brian & Sharon Beuchaw wrote:

quoted 1 line On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

quoted 8 lines Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff

>Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff >consistently instead of repeating videos? I know there's gotta be lots >more videos out there that they can choose from!!! > >Anyway, just my (disgruntled) opinion. > >cya >brian

Uh, you show me somebody who'd be willing to front the money for a video shoot to someone who'll 1,000 records tops. There just aren't that many broadcast-quality, full-length (as opposed to just film loops to run behind the stage) techno videos out there. We've seen all the major-label-affiliated artists' pieces, and now it's time to scrape the bottom of the barrel (or wait for AMP to catch on as a marketing tool, freeing up more money from labels.) -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, Philip Evans wrote:

quoted 9 lines Uh, you show me somebody who'd be willing to front the money for a video

> Uh, you show me somebody who'd be willing to front the money for a video > shoot to someone who'll 1,000 records tops. There just aren't that many > broadcast-quality, full-length (as opposed to just film loops to run behind > the stage) techno videos out there. We've seen all the > major-label-affiliated artists' pieces, and now it's time to scrape the > bottom of the barrel (or wait for AMP to catch on as a marketing tool, > freeing up more money from labels.) > > -Phil

Surely these 20 or so videos can't be *all* the electronica (*much* easier term to use/have understood than idm) videos out there! Can anybody across the pond help out on what good videos us over here in the eMpTyVee-dominated US market are missing? And this is not to incite arguments/flames/etc. - I would really like to know who's made videos. Thanks..... cya brian

Philip Evans wrote:

quoted 8 lines Uh, you show me somebody who'd be willing to front the money for a video

> Uh, you show me somebody who'd be willing to front the money for a video > shoot to someone who'll 1,000 records tops. There just aren't that many > broadcast-quality, full-length (as opposed to just film loops to run behind > the stage) techno videos out there. We've seen all the > major-label-affiliated artists' pieces, and now it's time to scrape the > bottom of the barrel (or wait for AMP to catch on as a marketing tool, > freeing up more money from labels.) >

Actually, my partner and I have been toying with the idea of cranking out a Aphex Twin video or two just for the hell of it. Shit, we even used Ageispolis as the music on our last demo reel and it worked perfectly (sorry R&S)! We've got 10 SGI's that sit idle when we're not rendering and just haven't got around to putting together all the animation. Plus, I've got miles of the craziest video shit anyone's ever seen, from back in my digital on-line editing days. Makes those lame solarized AMP bumpers look like donkey shit! They used our stuff at the big orbital party two years ago and it was voted best visuals of the year in LA. Guess I'm going to have to send this stuff to someone?!? The question is who... peace out, brock np: Sterac - 'secret life of machines'

quoted 1 line Surely these 20 or so videos can't be *all* the electronica (*much*

> Surely these 20 or so videos can't be *all* the electronica (*much*

easier

quoted 4 lines term to use/have understood than idm) videos out there! Can anybody

> term to use/have understood than idm) videos out there! Can anybody > across the pond help out on what good videos us over here in the > eMpTyVee-dominated US market are missing? And this is not to incite > arguments/flames/etc. - I would really like to know who's made videos.

How about some Orb videos? I know Blue Room exists. I've never seen the Orbital video with the Rave detergent theme either. As much as I like Ken Ishii, I don't need to see that video on three different programs, play another one. Hell, even an Enigma or Yello video (which do exist) would thrill me much more than rehashed vids from previous programs. For the record...they have played CJ Bolland videos before (someone mentioned they hadn't). Did anyone find the "mix" that will be on this week a little funny [Erik B and Rakim/MARRS/Ofra Haza].Erik B and Rakim's "Paid In Full" (Coldcut's 7 Minutes of Madness Mix) remix samples Ofra Haza and numerous Ofra Haza recordings sample Erik B and Rakim. MARRS samples them both, so why not just play the MARRS video and then show some of the 1000 electronic videos that haven't been touched. MC

Well, how about an entire amp episode, commercial free, with one extra minute of showtime, to air the entire "Thursday Afternoon" Eno vid? (don't forget to rotate the telly) 3

On 10-Jan-97 Mark Conklin wrote:

quoted 4 lines Did anyone find the "mix" that will be on this week a little funny [Erik B

>Did anyone find the "mix" that will be on this week a little funny [Erik B >and Rakim/MARRS/Ofra Haza].Erik B and Rakim's "Paid In Full" (Coldcut's 7 >Minutes of Madness Mix) remix samples Ofra Haza and numerous Ofra Haza >recordings sample Erik B and Rakim.

i think it's a cool idea. probably a lot of people don't know about it or were unaware/uninterested at the time it was actually happening. personally i haven't seen any of those videos in years, if ever. so i'm looking forward to it. -- Jon Drukman / jsd@gamespot.com

Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>

quoted 2 lines CJ Bolland, Meat Beat

> CJ Bolland, Meat Beat >*Not* shown yet

CJ Bolland's "Sugar Is Sweeter" has been on before. #2 I believe.

quoted 1 line mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza,

> mix: Eric B & Rakin/MARRS/Ofra Haza,

Actually, it's Rakim. Should be good though.

quoted 1 line Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff

>Moral of the story is: Why the hell can't they show *new* stuff

consistently instead of repeating videos?< I agree. I'd rather see new videos every week. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's taping it every week. Paul Rafanello intone@warwick.net

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Paul Rafanello wrote:

quoted 6 lines Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com>

> Brian & Sharon Beuchaw <beuchaw@enteract.com> > > > CJ Bolland, Meat Beat > >*Not* shown yet > > CJ Bolland's "Sugar Is Sweeter" has been on before. #2 I believe.

With all the great Bolland tracks....it seems like the worst song on the album got released as a single/video. Too bad. Listen to Sugar then listen to Electronic Highway...whew... T.

On Fri, 10 Jan 1997 11:05:24 -0500 "Zenon M. Feszczak" <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu> writes:

quoted 8 lines Well, how about an entire amp episode, commercial free, with one extra

>Well, how about an entire amp episode, commercial free, with one extra >minute of showtime, to air the entire "Thursday Afternoon" Eno vid? > >(don't forget to rotate the telly) > >3 > >HEAR, HEAR...but u know all too well that would be WAY too easy...why

show something decent if u can show "born slippy" for the THIRD time? tom w np: taking tiger mountain (by strategy)

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Saturday's show: FSOL, Speedy J, Paul Haslinger, Sun Electric, Fluke, David Bowie, CJ Bolland, Bjork, Goldie, Tricky, Teste, The Orb ______________________________________ Adam Shore Wax Trax!/TVT Records, Blunt Recordings 23 East 4th Street, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003

On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

quoted 3 lines Saturday's show:

> Saturday's show: > FSOL, Speedy J, Paul Haslinger, Sun Electric, Fluke, David > Bowie, CJ Bolland, Bjork, Goldie, Tricky, Teste, The Orb

What are the track titles? William Cordray - urchin@io.com

I think I missed the details on whatever this might be.. Could someone possibly clue me in? Thanks in advance, --brett On Thu, 30 January 1997, at 15:40:56, urchin@io.com wrote:

quoted 12 lines On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote: > > > Saturday's show: > > FSOL, Speedy J, Paul Haslinger, Sun Electric, Fluke, David > > Bowie, CJ Bolland, Bjork, Goldie, Tricky, Teste, The Orb > > What are the track titles? > > William Cordray - urchin@io.com > > >

All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;)

quoted 19 lines -----Original Message-----

>-----Original Message----- >From: Urchin [SMTP:urchin@io.com] >Sent: Thursday, January 30, 1997 4:41 PM >To: Adam Shore >Cc: idm@hyperreal.com >Subject: Re: (idm) AMP this weekend > >On Thu, 30 Jan 1997, Adam Shore wrote: > >> Saturday's show: >> FSOL, Speedy J, Paul Haslinger, Sun Electric, Fluke, David >> Bowie, CJ Bolland, Bjork, Goldie, Tricky, Teste, The Orb > >What are the track titles? > >William Cordray - urchin@io.com > > >

quoted 1 line the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;)

>the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;)

This is even more offensive than "the John Coltrane of the turntable." C. -- C.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.com) "He was mesmerized by the light-pictures, and the music sent him right into dreamland"

You wrote:

quoted 2 lines All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of

> >All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of

NYC

quoted 1 line Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky!

>Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky!

;)

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> >

Why do people make such a big deal about DJ Spooky ???....one word HYPE. His disc couldn't hold my interest for more than a couple of minutes. ROB

At 18:40 01/30/97, Chris Fahey wrote:

quoted 3 lines All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC

>All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC >Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;) >

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I can't believe someone said that. oh well, score another point for unbelievably overblown metaphors. -j- ________________________________________________________________________ The power of the dance is a dangerous power. Like other forms of self surrender, it is easier to begin than to stop. beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu john branch

Jesus christ, how many of you fucking people can't detect bitter sarcasm when you see it? Even when a little ;) thingy is there practically spelling it out for you. -Chris Fahey

quoted 26 lines -----Original Message-----

>-----Original Message----- >From: beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu [SMTP:beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu] >Sent: Friday, January 31, 1997 10:36 AM >To: Chris Fahey; 'IDM' >Subject: RE: (idm) AMP this weekend > >At 18:40 01/30/97, Chris Fahey wrote: >>All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC >>Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;) >> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >I can't believe someone said that. > >oh well, score another point for unbelievably overblown metaphors. > >-j- > >________________________________________________________________________ >The power of the dance is a dangerous power. Like other forms of self >surrender, it is easier to begin than to stop. > >beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu >john branch > >

Jesus christ, how many of you fucking people can't detect bitter sarcasm when you see it? Even when a little ;) thingy is there practically spelling it out for you. -Chris Fahey -----Original Message----- From: beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu [SMTP:beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu] Sent: Friday, January 31, 1997 10:36 AM To: Chris Fahey; 'IDM' Subject: RE: (idm) AMP this weekend At 18:40 01/30/97, Chris Fahey wrote:

quoted 3 lines All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC

>All of AMP's intersatial music seems to be done by the whole crew of NYC >Illbient godz, including the James Joyce of the turntable, DJ Spooky! ;) >

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I can't believe someone said that. oh well, score another point for unbelievably overblown metaphors. -j- ________________________________________________________________________ The power of the dance is a dangerous power. Like other forms of self surrender, it is easier to begin than to stop. beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu john branch

quoted 3 lines Jesus christ, how many of you fucking people can't detect bitter sarcasm

>Jesus christ, how many of you fucking people can't detect bitter sarcasm >when you see it? Even when a little ;) thingy is there practically >spelling it out for you.

Didn't we agree, a long time ago, on including the words "Danger Will Robinson, Danger !!" in cases of sarcasm ? Allert -- "No corporation will ever pay a creator enough to sue them succesfully" -Dave Sim, creator of Cerebus Allert Aalders - Big Time Concepts - allert@knoware.nl - KoX

Allert wrote:

quoted 2 lines Didn't we agree, a long time ago, on including the words "Danger Will

> Didn't we agree, a long time ago, on including the words "Danger Will > Robinson, Danger !!" in cases of sarcasm ?

Not trying to be sarcastic, but someone needs to tell those idiots at MTV that you're not allowed to mix shit with different tempo beats (unless it's triphop and jungle;-) Either wait for the ambient intro/outtro, or don't do it! Watching amp and hearing tennis shoes in the drier sucks! If I wanted to hear shit like that, I'd let my roomate spin. word to the mothership, brock np: eat static - epsylon ep

Chris Fahey wrote:

quoted 7 lines "Not allowed to ..."?!?

> > "Not allowed to ..."?!? > > Sounds sarcastic to me. You can mix any beats you want in any order you > want. It's not like the folks at home watching AMP are having some kind > of Bean-Bag Rave where it's important to maintain a certain BPM until > the exhausted crowd can't take it no more and need a Evian break.

Sorry Chris, but your wrong about this one...I'm not talking about 'maintain a certain BPM', I'm talking about trainwrecks! Sure, you can mix any tempo stuff, but that doesn't mean it's going to sound good! There is a reason they make pitch controls! In my previously chosen profession, I was a online editor. In my spare time I made triptapes/visuals for raves. We use to mix 2 stereo pairs on the master, just like MTV is doing with amp, for a continuous musical mix...but, YOU JUST CANNOT MIX BEATS WITH INCOMPATIBLE BPMS! It sounds like shit! When those amp edits came up on my tv at home, everyone in the room cringed! Like I said, tennis shoes (plus nuts and bolts) in the dryer. not cool! It's just about impossible to beatmix with video gear...so they really should stay away from it. The solution is that you can mix the ambient bits (and they did do that on a few occasions). Thats fine with me...just no more trainwrecks! peace out, brock np: U-ziq - 'Bluff Limbo'

At 8:50 PM -0400 on 2/3/97, Brock Suter wrote:

quoted 7 lines It's just about impossible to beatmix with video gear...so they really

> It's just about impossible to beatmix with video gear...so they really > should stay away from it. > > The solution is that you can mix the ambient bits (and they did do that > on a few occasions). > > Thats fine with me...just no more trainwrecks!

I could not agree more, as a matter of fact I'd prefer if they even leave the ambient songs alone since the are not doing a good job of mixing them either (IMO). If I was one of those artists, I'd be pist! And while I'm at it, I think they need to move on from that Photoshop Find Edges filter stuff they run between videos. It was trippy the 1st time, but now it's annoying. peace out, -Lloyd ----------------------------- Lloyd Alvarez 3D animator/Designer http://www.shake.com/lloyd/ -----------------------------

On 03-Feb-97, Brock Suter scribbled something about Re: (idm) AMP this weekend:

quoted 2 lines Sure, you can mix any tempo stuff, but that doesn't mean it's going to

>Sure, you can mix any tempo stuff, but that doesn't mean it's going to >sound good!

It can sound good, if you know how to do it.

quoted 2 lines the room cringed! Like I said, tennis shoes (plus nuts and bolts) in

>the room cringed! Like I said, tennis shoes (plus nuts and bolts) in >the dryer.

quoted 1 line not cool!

>not cool!

are you serious!? I think that's a great idea.. tennis shoes + nuts and bolts in the drier. -- Hillie aka Aurafix / PHD ja DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html phase distortion - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~airou/phd/ easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Hillie wrote:

quoted 4 lines are you serious!? I think that's a great idea.. tennis shoes + nuts and bolts

> > are you serious!? I think that's a great idea.. tennis shoes + nuts and bolts > in the drier. >

My mum said my music sounded like cats and bricks in a laundromat dryer. I took it as a complement. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "i love the smell of new carpet. it makes me dizzy. just like when you fall in love." -- Mike Dvorkin Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

On 05-Feb-97, Kent Williams scribbled something about Re: (idm) AMP this weekend:

quoted 2 lines My mum said my music sounded like cats and bricks in a laundromat dryer.

>My mum said my music sounded like cats and bricks in a laundromat dryer. >I took it as a complement.

that's even better! but it would be mistreating cats :( -- Hillie aka Aurafix / PHD ja DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html phase distortion - http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~airou/phd/ easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 5 lines are you serious!? I think that's a great idea.. tennis shoes + nuts and bolts

> > are you serious!? I think that's a great idea.. tennis shoes + nuts and bolts > > in the drier. > > > My mum said my music sounded like cats and bricks in a laundromat dryer. > I took it as a complement.

Me father heard "Belfast" and said..."I can't listen to this, it sounds like church bells!" I then realized my father was satan...go figure. khannan "666" suntharam kxs28972@bayou.uh.edu

On Sat: The Acid Didj, Coldcut "Natural Rhythm", DJ Mogly, Autechre "Secnd Bad Vibel", Orbital "The Box", Towa Tei, FSOL "Dead Cities", Massive Attack, Underworld "Pearls Girl", Prodigy, Scanner, Josh Winx. ______________________________________ Adam Shore Wax Trax!/TVT Records, Blunt Recordings 23 East 4th Street, 3rd Floor New York, NY 10003