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On 6 Nov 1996, BRIAN ANTONAK wrote:

quoted 7 lines I was sitting here yesterday, so sad that the Aphex release date is months away,

> I was sitting here yesterday, so sad that the Aphex release date is months away, > and I was wondering: In cases like this [Orbital _In Sides_ and Autechre _Tri > Repetae_ come immediately to mind] where the US release is so delayed, is it > usually the original label trying to soak up import sales, or is the licensing > label just v e r y, v e r y s l o w ? "Course I like the idea of the US > release bundling eps with long-players, so it's not all bad, but couldn't they > speed it up a notch?

You're right. Warp, like many labels, is delaying the release in hopes of selling more pieces worldwide before Warner takes over.. Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

On Wed, 6 Nov 1996 16:19:05 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

quoted 12 lines On 6 Nov 1996, BRIAN ANTONAK wrote:

>On 6 Nov 1996, BRIAN ANTONAK wrote: > >> I was sitting here yesterday, so sad that the Aphex release date is months away, >> and I was wondering: In cases like this [Orbital _In Sides_ and Autechre _Tri >> Repetae_ come immediately to mind] where the US release is so delayed, is it >> usually the original label trying to soak up import sales, or is the licensing >> label just v e r y, v e r y s l o w ? "Course I like the idea of the US >> release bundling eps with long-players, so it's not all bad, but couldn't they >> speed it up a notch? > >You're right. Warp, like many labels, is delaying the release in hopes >of selling more pieces worldwide before Warner takes over..

This is bollocks. We don't export Aphex directly to the US in *any* case - Sire/Warner is our Aphex licensee there, so we can't export into their territory. We get paid for every Aphex record Sire/Warner sell. Unfortunately however Sire/Warner have never really been able to release simultaneously, because a) they have to fit it into their release schedule b) they take much longer to release records from receipt of a master. It's as simple as that. Incidently WEA Japan have put in a real effort and are releasing near simulateously in Japan (in a few weeks) - and we're really happy about this. They are also releasing a compilation of Aphex single tracks (various from On, Ventolin and Donkey Rhubarb). g.

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote:

quoted 3 lines This is bollocks. We don't export Aphex directly to the US in *any*

> > This is bollocks. We don't export Aphex directly to the US in *any* > case.

Yet they get here, via American distributors buying them from UK distributors.

quoted 7 lines - Sire/Warner is our Aphex licensee there, so we can't export

> - Sire/Warner is our Aphex licensee there, so we can't export > into their territory. We get paid for every Aphex record Sire/Warner > sell. Unfortunately however Sire/Warner have never really been able to > release simultaneously, because a) they have to fit it into their > release schedule b) they take much longer to release records from > receipt of a master. It's as simple as that. >

Sire/Warner, for a heartless conglomerate, should be commended for sticking with Aphex Twin. As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically tanked, and according to the Warner's A&R rep I spoke with, RDJ was very uncooperative with their promotional efforts. They have done some things (like releasing both Ventolin EP's in one package) that were a real entertainment value. Remember, WB was the label of Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Ed Sanders, and many other weird and uncommercial bands over the years. You heard it here first (or maybe not) -- the next AFX record on Sire is going to sell more than the rest of his US releases combined. The high school kids are getting into stuff like this. It's just a matter of time before RDJ will be on MTV making a fool out of Kennedy... --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Stop thinking, and end your problems" -- Tao Te Ching Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996 10:33:52 -0600 (CST), you wrote:

quoted 7 lines On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote: >> >> This is bollocks. We don't export Aphex directly to the US in *any* >> case. > >Yet they get here, via American distributors buying them from UK >distributors.

There is nothing we can do about that, short of not selling any in our territory.

quoted 2 lines Sire/Warner, for a heartless conglomerate, should be commended for sticking

>Sire/Warner, for a heartless conglomerate, should be commended for sticking >with Aphex Twin.

Absolutely. I am not criticising Sire/Warner in the slightest, I think it's pretty amazing that they have done what they have done. They are really getting behind the latest album.

quoted 2 lines As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically

>As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically >tanked,

Compared to Madonna yeah, but for a 'techno' artist they sold well.

quoted 2 lines You heard it here first (or maybe not) -- the next AFX record on Sire

>You heard it here first (or maybe not) -- the next AFX record on Sire >is going to sell more than the rest of his US releases combined.

I really hope it does. because at the moment the USA (relatively) is a complete void for us at the moment. Very, very few (major) record companies in the USA have the guts to put out anything that doesn't have vocals, guitars and pop personalities. That's just the way the US music industry works apparently. g.

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote:

quoted 5 lines As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically

> >As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically > >tanked, > > Compared to Madonna yeah, but for a 'techno' artist they sold well. >

SAW II I think they pressed something like 100K copies, but only sold 15K. I've not seen it come up yet in cut out bins but it should be quite a bargain when it does.

quoted 10 lines You heard it here first (or maybe not) -- the next AFX record on Sire

> >You heard it here first (or maybe not) -- the next AFX record on Sire > >is going to sell more than the rest of his US releases combined. > > I really hope it does. because at the moment the USA (relatively) is a > complete void for us at the moment. Very, very few (major) record > companies in the USA have the guts to put out anything that doesn't > have vocals, guitars and pop personalities. > > That's just the way the US music industry works apparently. >

What I'm basing my prediction on RDJ from is the fact that the local record shop has moved about 20 copies of Jake Slazenger "Das ist ein Groovy Beat Ja" on import to high school students. Jungle is starting to be something the high school hipsters are snapping up as well. The most conservative customers, ironically are the DJ's -- most won't touch it if it's not Chicago house or Tresor-style trance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Stop thinking, and end your problems" -- Tao Te Ching Home Page, featuring Reagan on Black Velvet, the EMP Compilation CD, samples of my music, etc http://soli.inav.net/~kent/ Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)

On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 4 lines What I'm basing my prediction on RDJ from is the fact that the local

> What I'm basing my prediction on RDJ from is the fact that the local > record shop has moved about 20 copies of Jake Slazenger "Das ist ein > Groovy Beat Ja" on import to high school students. Jungle is starting > to be something the high school hipsters are snapping up as well.

...and it's not like that's even mike p's best work... micah stupak aka euroboy, life'sedge, tenderspot of the daphne, moebius, ick. mjsst87+@pitt.edu or euroboy@mail.prolog.net i sat back/and looking forward/my shoes were high/and i had scars/i'd bolted through a closing door/i would never find myself feeling bored

On 6 Nov 1996, BRIAN ANTONAK optimistically wrote:

quoted 2 lines who's hoping beyond hope that they include the HAB eps on the new US double

> who's hoping beyond hope that they include the HAB eps on the new US double > [hey, it could happen] CD...

...on SIRE? Never. Maybe on some Japanese label, but the big corporate US labels wouldn't even *consider* doing anything that intelligent. The only thing SIRE will add is a big-assed bar code and all of the `made in the U.S.A.' crap that usually ends up covering the back picture sleeve. Yuck. rab. .`--). | ' ? ? -' christopher miller O.' evil@digital.net '

At 12:09 PM 11/7/96, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 9 lines On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote:

>On Thu, 7 Nov 1996, g3 wrote: >> >As far as I know the US releases of SAW and I Care basically >> >tanked, >> >> Compared to Madonna yeah, but for a 'techno' artist they sold well. >> >SAW II I think they pressed something like 100K copies, but only sold >15K. I've not seen it come up yet in cut out bins but it should be >quite a bargain when it does.

That albums has legs, so maybe they'll be satisfied with selling 1,000 copies a month till the stock runs out. What that *does* mean is that once they're gone, they're gone. Warner is really good about hanging on to loss-leader-type artists (Zappa, Beefheart, Husker Du) because that gives them vast amounts of underground credibility, which they then trade in when they're trying to suck in a more commercial band that has pretensions of being arty. Proven track record with sticking by "difficult" bands, and all that. Besides, just like that above-mentioned bands, RDJ turns in tracks that are already finished and paid for. All Warner has to do is cough up money for promotion and packaging. Real cheap compared to your average guitar band that spends six months in a high-priced studio shooting up drugs and using up 24-track tape by the mile. I'm surprised Geffen hasn't caught on. They sure had the magic touch when it came to grunge, but they've completely dropped the ball on electronic music (Sonic Youth attract Nirvana who attract millions of dollars.) Nitzer Ebb was a good start, but they didn't know what they had, and they blew that one. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

quoted 6 lines Sire/Warner, for a heartless conglomerate, should be commended for sticking

> >Sire/Warner, for a heartless conglomerate, should be commended for sticking > >with Aphex Twin. > > Absolutely. I am not criticising Sire/Warner in the slightest, I think > it's pretty amazing that they have done what they have done. They are > really getting behind the latest album.

Let's not get all gushy. Bottom line is I don't see it in the stores NOW. Ventolin was great and all, but Astralwerks frankly kicks their ass, releasing things at the same time as the UK release, not months later. Frankly I wish Aphex could skip out on Sire and hook up with, say, Trent Reznor's Nothing label through interscope. Trent fucking loves Aphex, we'd get everything that way... No blasters, _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA

quoted 1 line That's just the way the US music industry works apparently.

> That's just the way the US music industry works apparently.

Which I think bodes well for someone like... Lamb, perhaps. It reminds me of the Portishead case. MTV was probably relieved and happy when it found Portishead: here's that new cool trip hop thing, but hey, we can sell this! Thanks to the face, the voice, the visual style (as seen in the videos). Now that EBTG has made jungle a bit more ear-friendly for more people, maybe US record companies are ready to push someone like Lamb, a jungle-based band with a photogenic singer? I wonder if RDJ or MikeP or any of our beloved alone-in-their-bedroom wizards will someday do a version of the Jellybean/Madonna thing - hook up with a rising or established star or starlette, produce massive Top 40 tracks, and use it as a launchpad for greater recognition. Mariah Carey produced by Luke Vibert. Toni Braxton produced by Tom Jenkinson. Oasis produced by the Chemical Brothers. ;) On now:: The Black Dog: Pot Noodle James Jung-Hoon Seo // Oracle New Media (415) 506-3829 // jseo@us.oracle.com My whole thing is to take completely retarded songs and turn them into something of my own. What can I bring to a song that's already been done well? // Mark Kozelek

On 7 Nov 1996, James wrote:

quoted 1 line Oasis produced by the Chemical Brothers. ;)

> Oasis produced by the Chemical Brothers. ;)

Yer not so far from the truth there. Just wait till January.... onnow: Richard H Kirk "The Number of Magic" (Warp) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong." For reviews, interviews, art & trash *UPDATED* http://www.io.org/~amichel/ amichel@io.org

On 7 Nov 1996, James wrote:

quoted 6 lines I wonder if RDJ or MikeP or any of our beloved alone-in-their-bedroom wizards

> I wonder if RDJ or MikeP or any of our beloved alone-in-their-bedroom wizards > will someday do a version of the Jellybean/Madonna thing - hook up with a > rising or established star or starlette, produce massive Top 40 tracks, and > use it as a launchpad for greater recognition. Mariah Carey produced by Luke > Vibert. Toni Braxton produced by Tom Jenkinson. Oasis produced by the > Chemical Brothers. ;)

Why??? kcuy. .`--). | ' ? ? -' christopher miller O.' evil@digital.net ' on: "Built" by +N (aka Atom Heart/Victor Sol)

At 3:13 PM 11/7/96, James wrote:

quoted 7 lines I wonder if RDJ or MikeP or any of our beloved alone-in-their-bedroom wizards

>I wonder if RDJ or MikeP or any of our beloved alone-in-their-bedroom wizards >will someday do a version of the Jellybean/Madonna thing - hook up with a >rising or established star or starlette, produce massive Top 40 tracks, and >use it as a launchpad for greater recognition. Mariah Carey produced by Luke >Vibert. Toni Braxton produced by Tom Jenkinson. Oasis produced by the Chemical >Brothers. ;) >

And here's my little prediction for today: Madonna with Orbital. They've already put out a remix, and I wouldn't be too surprised to see them and possibly Chem Bros or The Orb on her next one. She's sneaky that way. -Phil [----------] [---] [-----] [-----] [-----] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [----------] [----------] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [---] [--------] [-----] [-----] [---] [-----] [----------] Home is where the stereo is!

In a message dated 96-11-07 22:15:36 EST, you write: << And here's my little prediction for today: Madonna with Orbital. They've already put out a remix, and I wouldn't be too surprised to see them and possibly Chem Bros or The Orb on her next one. She's sneaky that way. >> OH MY GOD!! WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE HORRIBLE DEATHS! The human race is truely doomed to a very violent and oh sooo embarrasing demise. I am pretty sure I have seen this one mentioned here or on the Ambient list - Earthrise Ntone 1 - a space bass dub trip Wicked cd... Anyone be so kind as to direct me to some more o' dis kinda stuff? Eric