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1995-11-04 17:48DJT1000@aol.comWhy don't you guys just get over it ? What we're seeing now is the logical end result of t
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Why don't you guys just get over it ? What we're seeing now is the logical end result of this equation: more labels, more "artists", more vinyl divided by the same (or less) number of consumers (I guesstimate less than 10,000 worldwide for the WHOLE scene). And have you actually BEEN to most of retail outlets that carry our shit ? Sonic Groove (while hot) is the size of my living room. Fat Cat in London was pretty small until they moved...BPM in Paris is no Sam Goody, etc. It's either that or dance music (ALL dance music) is lumped into a little ghetto in the corner of an otherwise commercial outlet (like Let It Be in Minneapolis). Limited pressings, limited display space, limited listenership, two week shelf life. And that's for a hit record (I'm thinking, off the top of my head, "Places" by Joey Beltram, for example). It's simple: Watts sneezes, we catch cold. Frankly, I'm surprised that Jeff McDonald didn't start cutting things out sooner. Thus, the regionals like 7th City, Deep and Record Time come in to pick up the slack..as well they should. Folks, the honeymoon is over...people are learning the hard way that you just can't jump into the game without a net (either getting w/ an established label, like a +8, or w/ a distributor like Submerge). IMHO, boycotting Watts isn't the answer, making better records with regard to who's buying them is. ao
1995-11-04 18:34Tom Butcher> Folks, the honeymoon is over...people are learning the hard way that you just > can't ju
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quoted 4 lines Folks, the honeymoon is over...people are learning the hard way that you just> Folks, the honeymoon is over...people are learning the hard way that you just > can't jump into the game without a net (either getting w/ an established > label, like a +8, or w/ a distributor like Submerge). IMHO, boycotting Watts > isn't the answer, making better records with regard to who's buying them is.
Well I don't know whether people realize this or not, but distributors like Watts seldom listen to the music they get as demos. About half a year ago, Orbitrecords sent them a demo of our new material, and after quite a bit of prodding, the buyer finally called me back and said he wasn't interested in the music at all. We decided to press the record anyway and to just see what happens-- we sent them a copy of the record, and the buyer called us within a couple of days to order a bunch of them. So that tells me they didn't even listen to the tape (which I probably would not have done anyway, if I were as busy as him). Just yesterday, in fact, I was speaking with one of my friends who handles a lot of promotion for another label, and when I told her how we go about getting distribution, she was *shocked*. "You sent them a demo and they ordered some??" was what she asked. Later she said that them actually listening to a demo is highly irregular, and that most distribution deals are based on connections- who you know, who can vouch for you, and who your friends are. That certainly explains why so many terrible records are released each week and why so many artists with vision, talent, and great music simply do not get heard. Techno and electronic dance music in general has gotten to the point where it's easily accessable to the people who know where to get it, so there's no point in 'seeking' out new music to most. Orbitrecords has to push very hard to get our music heard and in the stores simply because it sounds nothing like what's being produced today. It doesn't have the scratchy aphex-twin-esque feel to it, it's not jungle, it's not house, ... people don't know where to place it because it's different, and two distributors flat out told us they did not want to carry our new music because they didn't know where to 'put' it. Although it's very frustrating to have all this force against us while we're trying to push the boundaries of music and make sounds no one has heard before, that doesn't mean we're going to stop trying. Eventually someone will listen and discover it. It's important for you as people who buy records to make sure you support music you like, and to get store owners to order things you want to see. Since store owners have to be very careful as to what they order, they seldom take *any* chances as far as ordering music. If house sells, they'll order house. It's up to you to tell them what you want -- and it's up to you to buy it and support it. That's the only way techno will continue to grow and develop. Tom Butcher [bit@hyperreal.com] Orbitrecords [412.392.1505] || orbitrecords information superlink || http://hyperreal.com/music/labels/orbitrecords/