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quoted 9 lines Someone on this list (I forget exactly who) mentioned the gap between the

>Someone on this list (I forget exactly who) mentioned the gap between the >IDM-list aesthetic and the Detroit-list aesthetic. I think it was a >really apt observation, especially when applied to a guy like Hawtin. The >IDM aesthetic seems to revolve around a lot of polyrythmic drum programming >and melodic synth arrangements, whereas Detroiter's are more accepting of >a bit of stripped-down minimalism here and there. Any thoughts or comments? > >- Matthew >

i seem to always be causing trouble regarding things like this but a lot of it has to do with race. i am sure asking for it, i know...but detroit is a black city, after all, and the music reflects this. stripped down existence = stripped down music. also, dont forget about the _soul_ aspect... idm is, on the other hand, a predominantly white phenomenon from europe...and comes from an entirely different set of MATERIAL and CULTURAL conditions... now remember that in these cases "black" and "white" mean a certain set cultural codes which certain people IDENTIFY with...i dont mean to generalize. ++ e d e l e m e n t a l

On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, lunar wrote:

quoted 5 lines i seem to always be causing trouble regarding things like this but a lot of

> i seem to always be causing trouble regarding things like this but a lot of > it has to do with race. i am sure asking for it, i know...but detroit is a > black city, after all, and the music reflects this. stripped down > existence = stripped down music. also, dont forget about the _soul_ > aspect...

Uh yeah, must be. Let's don't ferget that Bob Segar (one of the BS brothers, along w/ Bruce Springsteen) is from them parts too. No wonder his truck commercials have so much stripped down "soul". Funny, I don't remember any stripped down MoTown stuff either. I think yer way out on a limb, guy.

On Sat, 13 May 1995, Che wrote:

quoted 15 lines On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, lunar wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Apr 1995, lunar wrote: > > > i seem to always be causing trouble regarding things like this but a lot of > > it has to do with race. i am sure asking for it, i know...but detroit is a > > black city, after all, and the music reflects this. stripped down > > existence = stripped down music. also, dont forget about the _soul_ > > aspect... > > Uh yeah, must be. Let's don't ferget that Bob Segar (one of the BS > brothers, along w/ Bruce Springsteen) is from them parts too. No wonder > his truck commercials have so much stripped down "soul". > > Funny, I don't remember any stripped down MoTown stuff either. I think > yer way out on a limb, guy. >

quoted 1 line MADONNA is also from detroit.

>>>> MADONNA is also from detroit.

On Sun, 14 May 1995, Rosalie Ball wrote:

quoted 1 line MADONNA is also from detroit.

> >>>> MADONNA is also from detroit.

No, she's from Rochester. Socially and culturally speaking, there's an immense difference. -d.w., who lives closer to Rochester than he'd like. PS: Bob Seger is from Ann Arbor. See above. ObIDM: Juan Atkins is from Belleville. But that's different. :)

On Mon, 15 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 5 lines MADONNA is also from detroit.

> > >>>> MADONNA is also from detroit. > > No, she's from Rochester. Socially and culturally speaking, there's an > immense difference. >

So is Mark Gage (Vapourspace). ObIDM: Stay tuned next week, for my review of Scanner, Legion of Green Men live in Toronto, and I'm hoping and still working on getting an interview with Scanner, (Robin something, I can't think of his name.) Phil Onnow: TEEX2 Disc 1 (Needed some Speedy J)

BEGIN QUOTE FROM Downey Philip J: : : : : On Mon, 15 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote: : : > > >>>> MADONNA is also from detroit. : > : > No, she's from Rochester. Socially and culturally speaking, there's an : > immense difference. : > Rochester, Michigan (suburb or Detroit) : So is Mark Gage (Vapourspace). Rochester, New York (upstate, near Buffalo?) -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation Robert Smith: fixer@d2.com 310/314-2920 310/314-2866(fax) 310/501-3279(pager) Digital Domain: 300 Rose Ave, Venice, CA 90291 310/314-2800 310/314-2888(fax)

BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jason W. King: : : On Mon, 15 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote: : : > : > ObIDM: Juan Atkins is from Belleville. But that's different. :) : : Belleville??!?! We must *not* be talking about Belleville, Ontario. If Belleville, Michigan. Between Detroit and Ann Arbor. Near Detroit Metro Airport. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation Robert Smith: fixer@d2.com 310/314-2920 310/314-2866(fax) 310/501-3279(pager) Digital Domain: 300 Rose Ave, Venice, CA 90291 310/314-2800 310/314-2888(fax)

BEGIN QUOTE FROM Che: : : Uh yeah, must be. Let's don't ferget that Bob Segar (one of the BS : brothers, along w/ Bruce Springsteen) is from them parts too. No wonder : his truck commercials have so much stripped down "soul". : : Funny, I don't remember any stripped down MoTown stuff either. I think : yer way out on a limb, guy. : : Please put this in context, we are discussing techno here. -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation Robert Smith: fixer@d2.com 310/314-2920 310/314-2866(fax) 310/501-3279(pager) Digital Domain: 300 Rose Ave, Venice, CA 90291 310/314-2800 310/314-2888(fax)

quoted 8 lines On Mon, 15 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote:

>On Mon, 15 May 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > >> > >>>> MADONNA is also from detroit. >> >> No, she's from Rochester. Socially and culturally speaking, there's an >> immense difference. >> >So is Mark Gage (Vapourspace).

Mark is from Rochester _NEW_YORK_, not Rochester MI. ;) and yesterday I drove through Paris, Michigan, too. (really!) Didn't see that tower everyone keeps talking about, either. :) on now: Dave Angel -- In Flight Entertainment _________________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen -- multimedia production -- human interface, CD-ROM, Web <macqueen@student.msu.edu> -- aural nukes in the mix _________________________________________________________________________

quoted 1 line Please put this in context, we are discussing techno here.

>Please put this in context, we are discussing techno here.

Yeah, right! Seems to me like you were discussing birthplaces of technotypes (*boring* subject) rather than techno per se. Oyvers