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Mon, 17 Jan 2000 04:12:05 GMT
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Re: (idm) rub-a-dub DUB, where do one start?
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joshua pretty much summed it up but i will add a few names you might want to check out King Tubby - you cant go wrong with the master Lee "Scratch" Perry, Glen Brown, Burning Spear Garvey's Ghost, Prince Far I, Jah Thomas, Yabby You, Revolutionaries, Dennis Bovell Dub of Ages, Sly and Robbie, Mickey Dread, Clint Eastwood and General Saint Two Bad D.J., Soul Syndicate, Culture Culture In Dub, Linton Kwesi Johnson LKJ in Dub, Augustus Pablo, Prince Jammy, Michael Smith/ on the more recent side African Head Charge In Pursuit of Shashamane Land Twighlight Circus Dub Sound System Scientist Dub Science other dub influenced shit
quoted 1 line PIL "Metal Box" (aka "Second Edition" on Virgin or Warner Bros)>PIL "Metal Box" (aka "Second Edition" on Virgin or Warner Bros)
damn i forgot all about this release, i am going to have to dust it off now. Flying Lizards, The Slits Cut, The Clash, XTC, Hood check them out! blah blah blah electronic influenced by dub Squarepusher (mainly MIRON), MoM, Seefeel, Namlook... just read what joshua recommends he pretty much nailed it anyways im pretty drunk, hope this helps bye bye
quoted 97 lines From: Joshua <thermal@wenet.net>>From: Joshua <thermal@wenet.net> >To: Jan Frode Hansen <frode.hansen@fredrikstad.online.no>, >ambient@hyperreal.org, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: (idm) Re: (amb) rub-a-dub DUB, where do one start? >Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 23:30:55 -0800 > >At 8:47 PM +0100 1/15/0, Jan Frode Hansen wrote: > >Any suggestion of what I should pick up is greatly appreciated. > >First, BEWARE of anything made in the 1990's (and after) using "dub" in its >title; since the word has become fashionable, much rather pathetic and >quite undubelicious twaddle has been slithering around under the name. > >Second, try the early "classics" to understand whence dub is derived and to >get a sense of what the term meant before marketing hacks got hold of it. >Here, I recommend a sampling of the "rootsy" reggae-based dub recordings >from Jamaica in the 1970's, many of which have been popping up on the >wonderful Blood & Fire, Pressure Sounds, and other reissue labels, for >example: > >King Tubby & Prince Jammy "Dub Gone 2 Crazy" (Blood & Fire) > >The Channel One studio hosted many amazing sessions, and many of the great >players - for example Sly (Dunbar) and Robbie (Shakespeare) - turn up on >countless records. Then again, many reggae folk turned up in England, and >in the early 1980's labels like Adrian Sherwood's On-U Sound were >reinventing reggae and dub in the colder northern setting, retaining a >reggae basis but adding the more industrial atmospheres of labels like >Factory Records (itself highly dub-influenced) and players from rock >groups. Here I would recommend: > >African Head Charge "My Life in the Hole in the Ground" & "Environmental >Studies" (both On-U Sound) >Creation Rebel "Psychotic Jonkanoo" (On-U Sound - with John Lydon of PIL!) >Prince Far I "Cry Tuff Dub Encounter Chapter 3" (Pressure Sounds - with >David Toop) > >Third, listen to the early rock infusion of dub into: > >PIL "Metal Box" (aka "Second Edition" on Virgin or Warner Bros) >Dif Juz "Soundpool" (4AD) and "Who Says So?" (Red Flame) >The Wake "Something Outside" (Factory Benelux) >Section 25 "Always Now" & "The Key of Dreams" (Factory or Les Temps >Modernes) > >and more generally Can and Cabaret Voltaire. > >Fourth, listen to the newer streams of dub based on techno and other >electronic musics. For example, the "ambient dub" of: > >Orb (everything) >Divination "Ambient Dub Volume 2 - Dead Slow" (Subharmonic) >Loop Guru "The Third Chamber" (North South) >Pete Namlook & Bill Laswell "Psychonavigation 1" (Fax) >Pre Fade Listening "Way Back Home" (Different Drummer) >Drome "The Final Corporate Colonization of the Unconscious" (Ninja Tone) >Woob "1" & "2" (Em:t) >Scorn "Evanescence" (Earache) > >Or the more digitized experimental dub of: > >Pole "1" & "2" (Kiff or Matador) >Kit Clayton "Nek Sanalet" (Scape) > >Or the new roots dub, presented beautifully on: > >Twilight Circus Dub Soundsystem "Dub Plate Selection" (M) > >and more mutantly on: > >Rhythm & Sound w/ Tikiman "Showcase" (Burial Mix) > >Or the rock groups influenced by dub in some way or other: Pan American, >Transient Waves, Hood, Bark Psychosis, Bowery Electric, Tortoise, and many >others. And that does not even mention drum & bass, which in many ways is >a mutation of dub. > >Meanwhile, be suspicious of any compilations released on non-reggae labels >with "dub" in their titles, as most are either lame repackagings of poor >imitations or inappropriate recontextualizations of unrelated styles. The >"Macro Dub Infection" and "Ambient Dub" series on Virgin and Beyond, >respectively, are quite lovely but not really very illuminating as to the >nature of dub itself. > >np - Red House Painters (3rd) > > >Joshua / Thermal / Boxman [Hako Otoko] label >mailto:thermal@wenet.net >http://www.wenet.net/~thermal/ > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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