So what will people listen to in a technocracy?
2008/11/16 John D. <john.dalton@msa.hinet.net>
quoted 180 lines 1. humanity is forked
> 1. humanity is forked
> 2. we have squeezed in to the forking best most awesomest fraction of it,
> ie this computer is pretty cool
> 3. i hope my kids believe in god because they better start forking praying
> 4. put on a record or something u guys are depressing me
>
> np ozzy revelation (mother earth)
>
>
> I think this is a romantic vision of primitivism. I am uncertain if this
>> would classify as Utopia. Then again I don't really believe in any utopian
>> systems.
>>
>> Anyhow. I do think this conversation may be going on to long Off Topic.
>> And i understand people like to have fun with it; because its very cool to
>> be snarky and cleverly pessimistic. It is an especially high ranking status
>> symbol for 18-35 year old men in our culture. Good job guys! I've stirred up
>> all the discussion I want to here. If anyone is interested in joining a
>> earnest discussion (or talking more shit) about creating a workable future
>> for all join me here:
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/zeitgeistmovement?lnk=gcimh
>>
>> Long live the metavirus,
>> zaq
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:55:20 -0500
>>> From: cexwell@gmail.com
>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>
>>> the path to the utopian dream is so easy! continue with things the way
>>> they
>>> are, occasionally debate about how bad it sucks, and wait for the oil to
>>> run
>>> out.. or at least require more energy to get out of the ground than the
>>> extracted oil would provide.
>>>
>>> without the oil, the population will not be able to stay at its current
>>> level.
>>>
>>> those who survive the massive die-off get to live in utopia.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The first half-hour is about the fractional reserve monetary system and
>>>> how
>>>> it
>>>> doesn't work. Then it goes into how debt created by the fractional
>>>> reserve system is used to create wage-slaves and exploit third-world
>>>> countries. The last part gives a vision of the future based on a
>>>> resource based economy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From what I am understanding you are saying that the fractional reserve
>>>> explanation makes sense, but that debt-slavery/exploitation and resource
>>>> economies
>>>> don't? Do you have a solution? Or do you think that the fraction
>>>> reserve monetary system is the best we can get?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the input,
>>>>
>>>> zaq
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:27:37 +0000
>>>>> From: catmail_2004@yahoo.ie
>>>>> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm@hyperreal.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>
>>>>> i agree - anything after the first half an hour was shite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Sam Marginson (FORUM8) <sam@forum8.co.jp>
>>>>> To: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November, 2008 6:34:20
>>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> merits -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> interesting..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> end
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
>>>>> To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
>>>>> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> bias. In that case I will ignore you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for being clear,
>>>>> zaq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
>>>>>> From: rick@glowdot.com
>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charles Goodwin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same
>>>>> thing
>>>>> used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE: OMG
>>>>>> ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list, that's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> why.
>>>>
>>>>
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