I personally think both sections of the movie have some
merit, the first half for its raw and critical education and the second part
for at least pitching a solution suggestion.
I think there are a couple of factors occurring simultaneously: First, the
onset of serious environmental disasters is going to (imo) start "waking
up" and pulling together lots of people, and while the super rich (aka
ruling class... beyond money) may still not care because they can hide in their
hollowed out mountains, more and more people may revolt and use their resources
to come up with technological solutions, or demand change in some sort of
functional way. Additionally, if the technology was present (which in reality
it probably already is) I surmise that most people would actually be shocked at
how many resources we have. The direction we have been going in as a corporation/banker
run world is not a path that in any way plans for the extension of human life
or the quality therein, if the mass focus released this and developed sufficient
cause for concern then the methods of production, living etc would potentially
change dramatically into something that actually made a scrap of sense.
Its a long shot but frankly everyone seems to talk tough about how the world
will not change until they are about to die because of that stubbornness and
they simply wonder why it has to be like this. Education is critical, buying
your own piece of isolated land is also not a horrible idea and at the end of
the day change is only going to come because enough competent people got the
word and organizational tools out early enough....
By the way, there are central banks in every country in the world aside from Andorra and Monaco (all of which are coordinated by the Bank for International Settlements)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements
some thoughts,
Ben
----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Simpson <mr.threv@gmail.com>
To: Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
Cc: idm hyperreal <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:21:18 AM
Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
Shiggy Shiggy Shiggy, can't you see? Sometimes your games just hypnotize
me...
2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
quoted 3 lines Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a
>
> Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a
> vision of the future.
a utopian vision pulled from uranus.
quoted 158 lines zaq
>
>
>
>
> zaq
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200
> > From: esaruoho@gmail.com
> > To: roachgod69@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> > CC: idm@hyperreal.org
> >
> > it doesnt take long to realize that most of these truth-out
> > documentaries ONLY outline a problem, call this or that group of
> > people, country, politician, banker etc bad bad bad down with him
> > off with his head - and cue in the epic dramatic orchestral stab.
> > unfortunately the mess-fests that various directors have done of r.
> > buckminster fuller are quite ridiculous - incoherent mess the lot of
> > them. check out "grunch of the giants" and "guinea pig b", you'll find
> > them online for free. those are good ones, good books tho.
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
> > > Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the
> > > worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a
> > > stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones
> > > that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of
> > > producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign
> > > it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point?
> > >
> > > Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only
> outline a problem?
> > >
> > > zaq
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> > >> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900
> > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> > >>
> > >> Check out a movie called "The Money Masters". It's a 3 hour + doco on
> why a
> > >> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks.
> I'm
> > >> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I'm just
> saying it
> > >> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus
> Project
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too
> utopian is
> > >> that I'm very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance.
> I
> > >> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of
> steel
> > >> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory
> steel?)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
> > >> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal
> > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good
> > >> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be.
> There
> > >> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only
> > >> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know
> any
> > >> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things
> into a
> > >> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right
> now.
> > >>
> > >> zaq
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> > >> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900
> > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> >
> > >> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
> merits
> > >> -
> > >> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
> > >> interesting..
> > >> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at
> the
> > >> end
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> > >> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
> > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because
> you have
> > >> a
> > >> > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for being clear,
> > >> > zaq
> > >> >
> > >> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > >> > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> > >> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
> > >> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every
> time
> > >> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same
> thing
> > >> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE:
> OMG
> > >> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list,
> that's
> > >> why.
> > >>
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