Shiggy Shiggy Shiggy, can't you see? Sometimes your games just hypnotize
me...
2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>
quoted 3 lines Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a
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> Yes. I agree completely This is why I appreciate Zeitgeist, it gives a
> vision of the future.
a utopian vision pulled from uranus.
quoted 158 lines zaq
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> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:46:39 +0200
> > From: esaruoho@gmail.com
> > To: roachgod69@hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> > CC: idm@hyperreal.org
> >
> > it doesnt take long to realize that most of these truth-out
> > documentaries ONLY outline a problem, call this or that group of
> > people, country, politician, banker etc bad bad bad down with him
> > off with his head - and cue in the epic dramatic orchestral stab.
> > unfortunately the mess-fests that various directors have done of r.
> > buckminster fuller are quite ridiculous - incoherent mess the lot of
> > them. check out "grunch of the giants" and "guinea pig b", you'll find
> > them online for free. those are good ones, good books tho.
> >
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> >
> > 2008/11/12 Z Moser <roachgod69@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I get what you are saying. From what I understand of the of the Venus
> > > Project another one of the first steps is to take an accounting of the
> > > worlds limits in order to see how many people it can support in a
> > > stable ecosystem and with the building materials available or new ones
> > > that we will come up with. We are already in the first stages of
> > > producing programmable matter that takes on the properties we assign
> > > it. Do you know how much steal is available at this point?
> > >
> > > Ill will check out Money Masters. Does it provide solutions, or only
> outline a problem?
> > >
> > > zaq
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> > >> To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:50:24 +0900
> > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum (OT)
> > >>
> > >> Check out a movie called "The Money Masters". It's a 3 hour + doco on
> why a
> > >> fractional reserve banking system run by a private central bank sucks.
> I'm
> > >> not saying I agree with the plan proposed in that either, I'm just
> saying it
> > >> seems a lot more practical than our utopian friends at The Venus
> Project
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The other reason I thought the new Zeitgeist movie was a bit too
> utopian is
> > >> that I'm very much unconvinced that we live in a world of abundance.
> I
> > >> would hardly say we have an abundant supply of whatever that form of
> steel
> > >> was that they proposed to build their cities on water out of (memory
> steel?)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
> > >> To: sam@forum8.co.jp; idm hyperreal
> > >> Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yes. Thiis was my main problem with the movie as well. There is a good
> > >> explanation of why things are the way they are and how they could be.
> There
> > >> is very little info on how to get from here to there. Is this the only
> > >> reason you think it sucked badly? Do you have any suggestion, or know
> any
> > >> movie/media that gives information on how to go about moving things
> into a
> > >> transitional period? This is what my main interest of study is right
> now.
> > >>
> > >> zaq
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: sam@forum8.co.jp
> > >> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:34:20 +0900
> > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> >
> > >> > I thought the movie sucked pretty badly, just quietly. It had some
> merits
> > >> -
> > >> > the section about the economics of our situation was somewhat
> > >> interesting..
> > >> > however, there was no detail about the path to the utopian dream at
> the
> > >> end
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Z Moser [mailto:roachgod69@hotmail.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:20 PM
> > >> > To: rick@glowdot.com; idm hyperreal
> > >> > Subject: RE: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Oh. I get it. Its not that it's because it isn't IDM. Its because
> you have
> > >> a
> > >> > bias. In that case I will ignore you.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks for being clear,
> > >> > zaq
> > >> >
> > >> > > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:59:18 -0800
> > >> > > From: rick@glowdot.com
> > >> > > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > >> > > Subject: Re: [idm] Zeitgeist: Addendum
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Charles Goodwin wrote:
> > >> > > > Ya know, I never quite understood why people get so upset every
> time
> > >> > anyone posts anything that is not directly related to IDM, the same
> thing
> > >> > used to happen on the Tech-house list and now its dead.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > Because this is the IDM list not the FW: FW: RE: RE: RE: FW: RE:
> OMG
> > >> > > ZEITGIEST MIND BLOWN MUST SEE BU$$SH = HITLER CONSPIRACY list,
> that's
> > >> why.
> > >>
> > >
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