I agree with you on this : the day when i realised that mostly only melodic
material (rather than cascading stutter effects) was eventually memorable
to me was quite disruptive.
Like everyone here i guess, i remain a little obsessed with unheard tones,
although all these years listening to synthetic timbres allowed listening
to acoustic music to be an unexpected experience as well (sometimes).
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:00 AM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 85 lines I mean, IDM is so amorphous a term that many of my favorite IDM artists
> I mean, IDM is so amorphous a term that many of my favorite IDM artists
> could also be labelled other genres as well.
>
> Amon Tobin could be trip hop
> Squarepusher could be break beat
> Loscil could be ambient
>
> I've actually moved on from IDM to New Cumbia with the likes of Reple,
> Uruba Marinka, El Peche and Meraki, all from the Sonido Tropico label. The
> tech wizardry in IDM was an amazing thing to behold, but I find myself
> drawn more and more to south American bears with a more melodic theme.
>
> On Thu., May 5, 2022, 2:27 p.m. Laurent Knauth, <laurent.knauth@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The « jazz » statement seems like the « electronic music » compulsory
>> figure.
>> I mean any Roland-based dumb track always claimed some doubtful jazz
>> legacy.
>> But making jazz takes more than striking a 7th chord or shuffling a MIDI
>> clip.
>>
>> « Classically trained » ? Richard Devine and Kirk Degiorgio come to mind,
>> however formal training doesn't sound like the IDM™ to my ears.
>> I didn't comment on the praises i've read here about Mike Paradinas a few
>> days ago, but this is nauseous breakbeat-opportunistic piss-poor polyphony
>> to me (i had the right to remain silent and, as you can tell, i used it
>> wisely).
>> Not everybody is Kettel.
>>
>> If IDM is « classically trained », would you say that « classic dance
>> music » is not ? Quite the opposite, in my opinion.
>> More often than not, « electronic music » seems to seek some
>> respectability, much like spoiled children shitty « house producers » from
>> the 90s wanted to appear as the next Berry Gordy.
>> « Justified and ancient », as the KLF used to say.
>> Do jazz musicians claim that they achieve counterpoint mastery ? Hell no,
>> they humbly play their part (which incidentally takes up all of their
>> lifetime).
>>
>> I've always found that ubiquitous « techno-jazz » statement embarrassing
>> — or is it just marketing ?
>> I must admit that this SONCAS <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONCAS>
>> discovery was quite questioning to me.
>> Are we just hipsters ? I don't think so. But i find the « electronic
>> music » inability to face up to itself quite worrying.
>> Time will sort it out.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 7:34 PM Kahgyt <khoogyra@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought IDM being labelled Intelligent Dance Music was a misnomer and
>>> that most in the community agreed it was a toxic way to view the art. As
>>> far as I'm concerned IDM is just that, and doesn't translate to anything
>>> else.
>>>
>>> To me IDM is basically jazz electronica, as in, people who were often
>>> classically trained and/or understood music theory and made electronica.
>>>
>>> On Tue., May 3, 2022, 9:24 a.m. Rjyan Kidwell, <cexwell@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh man is somebody gonna tell her about tigerbeat6
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022, 6:49 AM Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funnily, she doesn't seem to realise that her music genre might not
>>>>> exist if IDM hadn't been there in the first place *(out of the
>>>>> country).*
>>>>> Unless that is (more likely) some poor polemic attempt in order to get
>>>>> her music heard.
>>>>> I don't blame her, however i think she should try to look above
>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:27 AM David Seruyange <g3scom@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reference:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/lilbadsnacks/status/1521155495419162626
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought it was called "Happy Hardcore".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - David
>>>>>>
>>>>>