Hello,
quoted 13 lines Now, see, this is what I'm talking about.> Now, see, this is what I'm talking about.
>
> The Cult of Mac - the Cult of Jobs.
>
> I use both Apple and PC machines, in a variety of capacities, and I've
> used every windows version since 3.1, every macOS version since 7.0,
> and
> a wide variety of *nix OS's. I currently support a mixed platform
> network that's about 70% PC, 20% mac, and about 10% Debian.
>
> The fact of the matter is that Nicholas pointed out valid problems with
> the Mac platform, and immediately the evangleical mac users rush to
> argue.
Or if you point out problems with the Windows problems, evangelical
Windows users rush to argue ... Or everytime you point out the problems
with Islam loads of evangelical Muslims rush in to argue. or every time
you point out the problems with Christianity loads of evangelical
Christians rush in. Or every time you point out the problems with the
Bush Administration no one rushes in to deny it...
quoted 4 lines I know, from personal experience, that there are large> I know, from personal experience, that there are large
> incompatabilities, particularly with pre-OSX macs, and other computers.
> There were huge network problems. The Appletalk protocol is one of the
> ugliest, least effiecient protocols around.
Yep. It was designed for something completely different to what it
ended up being, and not for a mixed use environment. NetBEUI or
whatever it is was pretty damn ugly too.
quoted 3 lines There's even> There's even
> incompatabilites with file systems - Try using a PC to burn a CD of
> files that are stored on an HFS partition. Can't be done.
Because no one cares to implement HFS drivers for winodws? Try using a
mac to burn a CD of files that are stored on an NTFS partition.
This is silly however, why should Macs try to be windows compatible?
Hell if you want to pick problems with Macs then we could just all say
"Email Virus" and I think we'd have countered it.
quoted 8 lines There IS a premium for apple hardware - you're essentially paying for> There IS a premium for apple hardware - you're essentially paying for
> design. And while that may be fine for some people, I find it grossly
> inefficent. The "affordable" eMacs and entry level powerbooks you
> mention are so far back on the hardware curve as to be ridiculous.
> Your
> $999 powerbook is going to need to be replaced in 2 years, if you hope
> to use anything more computationally advanced that word processing and
> interweb. Your $999 commodity PC laptop has twice that life.
Only if your operating system bloats. OS.X has by all reports been
getting faster in the last few years as it's matured. can't say that
for windows (or gnome ;-) KDE is so much better)
quoted 2 lines And there are whole categories of problems that come up with Macs that> And there are whole categories of problems that come up with Macs that
> simply have no solution, ever.
That's the same with any computer platformin my experience. some it's
easier to fix some things on, other it's not. I've had total nightmare
with certain things on Linux or on Windows or on FreeBSD. shit happens.
quoted 5 lines But here's the thing that gets me the most. 20% of the machines that I> But here's the thing that gets me the most. 20% of the machines that I
> support are Macs, and they demand well over half of the support time.
> But every mac user I talk to tries to tell me Macs don't crash. Well,
> they do. All the time. Not as much with OSX, but as far as I'm
> concerned, it's too little too late.
So, because something was once problematic it should never be used
again? If this is Mac Users Anonymous can I stand up and say "I've got
a Mac and it Crashes". Can I also add "I've got a FreeBSD box, and it
crashes" and "I've got a WinXP machine and it crashes". And "I've got a
Nokia 6600 and it crashes". Big shit. If you are stupid enough to
listen to drivel people say and believe it, or people are stupid enough
to say it, that's no reason to discount a platform.
quoted 7 lines I've wasted too much of my life> I've wasted too much of my life
> troubleshooting arcane Mac problems to be fooled by the rhetoric. And
> what rhetoric! I know a half a dozen people with Apple logos TATOOED
> on
> their bodies! I don't know any pc users dumb enough to have
> Microsoft's
> logo indelibly etched into their flesh, do you?
Tatoos are stupid whatever, so that's not really a fair argument ;-)
quoted 5 lines So yeah, I don't like macs. I've got a computer science degree, I use> So yeah, I don't like macs. I've got a computer science degree, I use
> and support macs every single day, I know how they work, I understand
> why people like them, but it's all smoke and mirrors as far as I'm
> concerned. I'll be happy to support them, for a premium. But I will
> never, ever buy Apple products for my own use.
all computer platforms are smoke and mirrors. Taste is personal. I've
got a CS and AI degree - if that's any qualification - and I prefer
Macs. I've been using (and supporting users) for 12 years now, and I'd
say I've had shitty problems with Mac, Linux, Windows, BBC model B's,
Atari STs, Amigas, Psions, Symbian Series 60 phones, Cray
supercomputers, Vax VMS's, Sun Sparcs and various others. I can't say
that I despise one more than any other, I've just chosen to use a Mac
as in my experience they do what I want. I still switch to Linux or
FreeBSD when that's the right task (my servers) or windows when that's
the right task like running hardware which is closed source and only
has drivers for windows ;-)
The thing which would be nice to admit is that all computers, in fact,
all technology sucks as it's evolving to our needs, but our needs are
evolving. For some people one thing is going to be good, for some
another, whatever it is Macs are better PCs is kind of like saying
Catholics are better than Jews. Stupid. They are just something
different.
Now get over it and start talking about music.
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