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Thu, 27 Nov 2003 10:17:38 -0500
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Re: [idm] ubiquitous sony (O/T)
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"Aaron Trumm" <aaron@nquit.com> wrote:
quoted 6 lines well, yeah, of course they don't just spend the money, they'll want to>well, yeah, of course they don't just spend the money, they'll want to >recoup it directly on a given project. although it is conceivable that an >artist or a small label with enough clout and a good enough lawyer could >manage to negotiate a contract where the funds for the record are not >recoupable - but even without that, you're not likely to pay rate out of >pocket if you're on the label
right, i wasn't suggesting an artist pays out of pocket for a label-owned studio. it's charged against future royalties, the old indentured servant or loan slave deal. the only time an artist pays out of pocket for studio time is if they make the album outside of a label deal (i.e. before they sign), or it's in their contract that they're responsible for simply making the album and handing in the master.
quoted 6 lines now this where I don't have a clear understanding - does Sony pay itself for>now this where I don't have a clear understanding - does Sony pay itself for >studio time? Knowing a bit about how Shell Oil works (my girlfriend works >there :) ), I would say that in fact, yes it does. At Shell, one department >will come to my girlfriend's department and pay them for their time, and in >fact, her department has to compete for their business, as they have full >freedom to buy the services outside of the company.
this is what i was talking about. each small company is on the books as its own corporation. if sony creates a video department and incorporates it as a separate company, or buys another video company, and one of their music artists makes a video with that company, the artist is charged against royalties to make the video, and the money changes hands within the company. so essentially the artist's album costs less for the company to make, because they're getting back most of the cost of making it through one of their subsidiary companies. and now they have something they can sell and make even more money from, and give the artist a pitiful percentage because the company is the one who took the financial risk. of course, as you mention, eventually some contracts can be renegotiated, but usually not until they're fulfilled and it's time for a new one, unless something is really illegal or can be proven unfair, which is hard to do.
quoted 3 lines I don't suppose it's necessarily true, however, that anyone with money can>I don't suppose it's necessarily true, however, that anyone with money can >book time in any studio. I imagine there are plenty of private commercial >quality studios that are not open for business.
entirely possible. or it may just be so heavily booked that no one can get in, or so prohibitively expensive (upwards of $200/hr) that only major players book time. d. -- http://www.chthonicstreams.com http://www.dreamintodust.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org