i pay for the software i use.
a stewart wrote:
quoted 100 lines all right kids, lets beat this fucker to death and steer the piracy thread
> all right kids, lets beat this fucker to death and steer the piracy thread
> in the next obvious direction with a fun little excursive in self
> reflection.
>
> assuming a number of you idm contributors are, like yours-truly, a musician
> of the electronic genre, lets step back from the pirated music quandary and
> ask ourselves if the tools we computer musicians are using are legit copies.
>
> it has become commonplace for musicians to approach me unashamedly - EVEN
> PROUDLY at robotspeak with tech questions regarding an arsenal of pirated
> warez. I understand that a music software's usefulness as a creative tool,
> unlike a guitar, sousaphone or accordion, is not self-evident. and
> trying-before-buying is where kracks excel. im not about to tell a newbie
> musician to shell out 700 bones for a copy of logic sight unseen, and at
> times i've recommended against it. BUT 2 years later when they've
> comfortably reached smug logic power user status with their krack rack of
> virtual synths, its not any easy thing- to settle a moral score and buy a
> legit copy.
>
> Some of the bleeding edge companies - native instruments being the poster
> child - are apparently just a tick from bleeding to death because of this
> krackage pestilence, which begs the chicken - egg question: are apps
> expensive because software companies are money-grubbing capitalists who want
> to price-out their target consumer, or are software companies forced to
> raise prices on apps to keep their company running and to pay their staff of
> incredibly talented, hardworking', and CREATIVE software engineers?
>
> further, how can they claim ownership over lines of code- its all ones and
> zeros, eh? ;]
>
> ------------
>
> by the way, we are doing 2 free clinics this saturday. prop reason @ 1:00,
> ableton live @ 3:00, so if you can't figure out your krack because you got
> no manual, come on down and get yerself some learn'in!
>
> ;)
> lots of love and chocolate covered unicorns for all,
> aln
>
> --
> alan_stewart
> robotspeak
> alan@robotspeak.com
> 415_554_1977
>
> On 3/12/03 9:34 AM, "nethed" <nethed@ninjatune.net> wrote:
>
> > In the US, look at the links I just posted.
> > In the UK, have a look at the MCPS/PRS website.
> > There is substantial case law that has clearly defined and drawn
> > the line as to what a sample is.
> >
> > Copyrights and Copywrongs: The Rise of Intellectual Property and how
> > It Threatens Creativity
> > Siva Vaidhyanathan
> >
> > Suggesting another book to buy before speaking without knowledge.
> >
> > Sorry guys, but I went to harvard last summer and studied internet law
> > and spend my spare waking hours studying about these things and possible
> > solutions/alternatives - i thought this list had more 'intelligent'
> > people on it... perhaps they're just lurking waiting for the storm to
> > die down.
> >
> > If anyone wants to know how Copyright and the Music Industry works in
> > the UK, I suggest checking out
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic - go to the contracts section written
> > by a lawyer. ask their experts a question and read the info on the site
> > about copyright and sampling. you might learn something today.
> >
> > excuse if this sounds patronising and cynical -- i'll go back to lurking
> >
> > nH
> >
> >
> > At 12:19 pm -0500 12/3/03, pixilated wrote:
> >> You only have to pay for samples because of the existing structure of
> >> copyrights. Anyway, who are you to decide what "sampling" is? All art
> >> "samples." I defy you to tell me where to draw the line. The copyright
> >> issue in art is about money, not creativity, as someone "sampling" your
> >> work does nothing to impede your own creation of art.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:12 PM
> >> Cc: idm@hyperreal.org
> >> Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
> >>
> >> We can debate all day on the merits of sampling, but it can start with
> >> the fact that you have no idea as to what samples we've cleared/paided
> >> for. It can end with the fact that sampling is an art form which
> >> re-arranges pre-existing work into new context and pieces of work. It's
> >> a big difference and two very different arguments.
> >>
>
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