Well my justification for downloading mp3's is that I
do eventually go out and buy records of the stuff I
really like. The ability to listen to what I'm getting
before I get it, and helps filter out a lot of crap
that I wouldn't buy. I try and support small labels
out there (buy cd's and records) I'de feel like an ass
if I didn't. But I hate listening to real player clips
on websites and there isn't shit for record stores for
at least a six hour drive from where I live.
Okay but I don't feel bad about d/ling Missy Elliot or
something like that and nort buying the album. MP3's
help me make an educated decision in wwhat records I
buy. Indie labels gotta give it credit for that, there
is a lot more underground music bieng exposed as a
result.
--- Jeff/Ninja Tune <jeff@ninjatune.net> wrote:
quoted 97 lines Look the way I see it, if someone spends money to
>
>
> Look the way I see it, if someone spends money to
> create something and they
> put it in the marketplace to profit from that
> creation then anything that
> doesn't involve the exchange of money for it
> qualifies as a form of
> stealing. If they wanted to give it away for free
> then it should be their
> choice as to whether they want to do so, not
> arbitrarily decided by people
> with access to the ability to do so.
>
> I'm not going to get all heavy about it as I see all
> sorts of negative and
> positive aspects to file sharing/swapping (mostly
> positive at this
> particular juncture of its history), but can we at
> least admit that when one
> obtains something for free when that thing exists in
> the physical realm with
> a price tag attached then it technically is
> stealing.
>
> And yes copyright laws were made by the people
> standing to benefit from
> them, but then murder laws were presumably made by
> the people who didn't
> want to be murdered, and that whole allowing woman
> to vote law was probably
> made by some woman who wanted to vote....
>
> Jeff
>
>
> > From: "pixilated" <pixilated@alum.dartmouth.org>
> > Organization: Dartmouth College
> > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:15:04 -0500
> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
> >
> > Sure, it's theft if that is what the law says
> theft is. That doesn't
> > mean that the law isn't a sham supported by
> parties trying to influence
> > how the law is written and applied for their own
> benefit. You are taking
> > for granted the concept of intellectual property.
> Copyright laws didn't
> > even exist until a few centuries ago. Do you
> honestly see no difference
> > between appropriating a physical object claimed by
> someone else and an
> > idea? How did any artist create his work? You
> think he hasn't
> > appropriated the ideas of others? You are
> accepting a construction of
> > reality imposed upon you without criticism. Way to
> go, sucker. I should
> > copyright intelligence and sell it. God knows I'd
> make a shitload of
> > money off you.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Hager [mailto:HagerJW@Healthall.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:03 PM
> > To: idm@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
> >
> >
> >
> > oh for chist sake
> > pirating, file sharing, downloading, swapping
> > who gives a flying f**k what the RIAA calls it...
> > if it's not properly authorized, it's STEALING,
> > PERIOD! it doesn't matter if it's greedy, rich,
> butt-heads
> > like Metallica, or some starving indie artist.
> >
> > pirate, according to Webster's, by definition
> means:
> >
> > One who makes use of or reproduces the work of
> another without
> > authorization.
> >
> > which accurately describes the unlicenced
> manufacture of hit records for
> > retail AND mp3 sharing/downloading.
> >
> > john
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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