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From:
Connor Higgins
To:
Juho Hietala
Cc:
Sham Beam , IDM List
Date:
Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:52:14 -0400
Subject:
Re: waffles
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You're going to have to have another go at stating your point, because frankly that whole essay is an utter shit-show. Start with that first sentence. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:46 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 110 lines honestly, i dunno why you acknowledging your behaviour should be a reason> honestly, i dunno why you acknowledging your behaviour should be a reason > to not question it. that just does not make sense. > > i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have the whole picture here and it did > make me angry that you responded by ridiculing the person that called you > out on it - and the fact that you present your behaviour as something > everyone should just accept because you acknowledge it. > > the fact that i’m being blatantly blunt is just an extension of my > frustration on your acknowledged ‘effect’, and how it seems to be the same > with every person that sticks with private torrent sites even when there’s > no actual fan based need for most of them to exist these days. we, the > artists, NEED those pennies as the democratisation of music has driven > everyone’s overall sales down. If you actually look at the numbers instead > of blindly quoting them, you’ll see that the tail we’re all in here is > much, much… MUCH longer than ever. > > > > On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:37, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> wrote: > > Then let me be very clear what I am saying: I am not justifying my > torrenting, but merely stating the effect of my torrenting. That's > essentially a rehash of my first reply to this damn thread. > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i’m not claiming any moral high ground. i’m saying that argument is >> illogical, ie. fucking moronic. that’s what i’ve been saying all the time, >> and why i’m disgusted that you feel like you can make decisions on artists’ >> sources of income. >> >> >> >> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:32, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> No that's all fine and good Juho. You can't claim the moral high ground >> as an individual however, which you very blatantly have been doing for the >> past several replies. >> >> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> yeah uh I dunno why it’s an issue that I’ve used a torrent site in the >>> past when the point I was pretty clearly making is that if someone thinks >>> torrenting is superior than giving an artist a few pennies, that someone is >>> a fucking idiot. i have never ever said that. i probably know more than >>> connor or jon how today all the fucking pennies matter. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 Oct 2014, at 00:28, Sham Beam <sham.beam@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hasn't everyone had this conversation before? Everyone pirates music. >>> That doesn't make it any less cool and disrespectful towards the artists we >>> pirate. Perhaps the music industry will evolve to a point where this isn't >>> such an issue in the future. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On 10/22/2014 10:18 AM, Juho Hietala wrote: >>> >> yep, this was years ago before there was spotify or other viable >>> means to listen to stuff. i’m not denying it. but did you also notice i’ve >>> uploaded several of my own albums to these sites? >>> >> >>> >> when you’re done lolling you can still consider the point i made to >>> you a few emails ago. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 22 Oct 2014, at 01:15, Jon Sands <fohdeesha@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> LOLLLLL *breathes deeply* LOL >>> >>> >>> >>> Remember how I was saying in my first post, the people yelling the >>> loudest about how awful piracy is and how it should NEVER be done are >>> usually the ones doing it to their own benefit? And how Juho called more >>> than a few people "disgusting" for admitting to downloading a couple albums? >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, here's a screenshot of some of the copyrighted albums Juho has >>> torrented. I count around 115 total, and that's before he got banned. Nice >>> job! - http://i.imgur.com/rYQAqaf.png >>> >>> >>> >>> So, Juho, anything else you'd like to be hilariously hypocritical >>> about? Or is this one of those things that's only OK when you do it, but >>> awful when we do? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/21/2014 7:08 PM, Juho Hietala wrote: >>> >>>> well, to be honest, i think the joke’s on you here.. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Jon Sands >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Sham Beam >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > >