Agreed, i think there is a past here.
Some people are having these discussions, and i think it would be unfair to
ask them to stop having them, since this board is here to discuss issues
with IDM music. We dont like everything we read, so we delete the messages
we dont care to see, and move on with our lives :)
~swamay~
----- Original Message -----
From: "Electronic Whore" <jacquie@electronicwhore.com>
To: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:00 PM
Subject: [idm] Fw: [idm] last 6 months rule
quoted 3 lines I think that people are the most petty creatures. It seems they like to
>
> > I think that people are the most petty creatures. It seems they like to
> > make negative comments whenever they're not necessary. They also like
to
quoted 4 lines insult things they choose to be a part of instead of appreciating it for
> > insult things they choose to be a part of instead of appreciating it for
> > what it is or walking away from it if they can't appreciate it. People
> are
> > also some of the most ironic creatures on earth. While complaining
about
quoted 1 line petty arguments, they're making one themselves. No, I'm not talking
> > petty arguments, they're making one themselves. No, I'm not talking
about
quoted 35 lines shaun making a petty comment about other petty comments or the fact that
> > shaun making a petty comment about other petty comments or the fact that
> he
> > took a stab at hundreds of people involved in a list that brings forth a
> lot
> > of interesting and helpful discussions when he could simply walk away
> > without incident. Never.
> >
> > Jacquie
> > www.electronicwhore.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ±³§x"Þ <5tx@home.com>
> > Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
> >
> >
> > > i think that the idm-l can be the most petty of mailing lists where it
> > seems
> > > like people from every corner will release all emotions into trying to
> > justify
> > > their opinions. it's almost as though there is something to be proven
> by
> > petty
> > > jabbering? this list sucks 90% of the time but there are a few good
> things
> > (ie.
> > > lancebot) that make it worth it
> > >
> > > shaun
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hey Peter.
> > > >
> > > > I knew i would get bashed before i started these topics on this
board
quoted 13 lines and
> > and
> > > > others.
> > > > People get so defensive with these topics. I have started this
> > discussion
> > > > on numerous boards for the simple fact to let people know that these
> DSP
> > > > systems are available, are not as tough to learn as most think, are
> not
> > as
> > > > expensive as most think, and what they do. So many electronic
> musicians
> > do
> > > > not even know of this way of creating sound and music. They are
still
quoted 3 lines buying synths that are preset and not "open ended" It is not to put
> > > > buying synths that are preset and not "open ended" It is not to put
> > down
> > > > what everyone is using, that we could do on the IDM making board.
:)
quoted 11 lines I only like IDM music. I have heard many types of music in my 25
> > > >
> > > > I only like IDM music. I have heard many types of music in my 25
> years,
> > and
> > > > IDM is the most interesting to me. I think alot of others feel this
> > way, on
> > > > this list or not. But I do know lots of people like other types of
> > music.
> > > > I want to know why others are still into certain genres of music and
> > why.
> > > > My views on music are my own, and is obvious it is not shared by
many
quoted 35 lines on
> on
> > > > this list. I am an individual expressing how I feel. I know people
> > feel
> > > > differently, and like to find out why they feel differently.
> > > >
> > > > Topics with lots of contreversy get lots of attention. After reading
> > these
> > > > posts, I hope many have visited sites for MAX, DP, Kyma, Pulsar and
> > others,
> > > > to learn what is available, and to see how new IDM music is being
> made.
> > And
> > > > what a better place to discuss these issues than on this list.
> > > >
> > > > take it easy.
> > > >
> > > > ~swamay~
> > > > www.swamay.com
> > > > www.mp3.com/swamay
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Peter Shultz" <pashultz@Princeton.EDU>
> > > > To: <swamay@home.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:11 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Swamay and company,
> > > > > Sorry to butt in, but I really don't think this is a very mature
> > attitude.
> > > > > Today's music technology is so sophisticated and rich that hardly
> > anybody
> > > > > can really put it to its full use without years of experience. I
> > still
> > > > use
> > > > > my K2000 (invented in, what, 1990??), and am continually finding
new
quoted 6 lines sounds
> > > > sounds
> > > > > and possibilities even on what would be considered today a
> > comparatively
> > > > > primitive machine. At this point, I'm a pretty advanced user, but
> > there's
> > > > > really no end to what can be done. Learn your instrument. Take
the
quoted 10 lines time
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > > get under the skin of your equipment, and you'll be surprised at
> what
> > > > you'll
> > > > > find. Let's leave the "dedication towards forwarding musical
> > technology"
> > > > to
> > > > > the people who actually produce the technology.
> > > > > On the other hand, your attitude toward music, as expressed in
your
quoted 2 lines posts,
> > posts,
> > > > > is totally foreign to me. You seem to be saying that music is
only
quoted 3 lines interesting to you inasmuch as it presents shiny new sonorities.
> > > > > interesting to you inasmuch as it presents shiny new sonorities.
> Look
> > > > > deeper! Instead of dismissing anything already done, open up to
the
quoted 5 lines richness and history of the world around you! A grounding in
> > > > > richness and history of the world around you! A grounding in
> > classical
> > > > > music probably won't help you program your Kyma any better, but it
> > almost
> > > > > certainly will help you mature in your sense of musical grammar
and
quoted 1 line structure. Don't you see? Innovation lies NOT in the gear, but
> > > > > structure. Don't you see? Innovation lies NOT in the gear, but
in
quoted 3 lines the
> > the
> > > > > music!
> > > > > And if you don't find the sound of an oboe fresh and exciting,
just
quoted 20 lines pretend
> > > > pretend
> > > > > somebody programmed it in MAX/MSP.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6
> > months,
> > > > > > >you're
> > > > > > > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious
> > dedication
> > > > > > >towards
> > > > > > > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any
> > synthesizers
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > samplers.
> > > > >
> > > > > >We both meant "hardware" synths and samplers. We use DSP or a
> > hybrid of
> > > > > >hard/software.
> > > > > >using an ASR-10 or a KORG keyboard is a bit overreated. they
dont
quoted 16 lines do
> do
> > > > much
> > > > > >anymore.
> > > > > >We make "samplers" or "synths" on the computer now a days.
> > > > >
> > > > > >>So once the album is over 6 months old its not relevant any more
> > because
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> technology is "old"!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > > No an album made in the past 6 months does not get dissed. But
> > using
> > > > the
> > > > > >"standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does.
> > > > > >Thats what i mean by be an innovator.
> > > > > >But course there are those musicians that will always use the
same
quoted 3 lines old
> > old
> > > > > gear,
> > > > > >because that is what they are comfortable with, and have no
desire
quoted 7 lines to
> to
> > > > move
> > > > > >forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the
> > learning
> > > > > >curve.
> > > > >
> > > > > >I think most musicians have made a rep with the gear they have,
and
quoted 41 lines fear
> > fear
> > > > > >rejection if their style changes in the slightest, due to new
> > unfamiliar
> > > > > >gear they are using.
> > > > >
> > > > > >regards..
> > > > >
> > > > > >~swamay~
> > > > > >www.mp3.com/swamay
> > > > > >www.swamay.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
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