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Thu, 12 Apr 2001 04:59:38 +0100
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Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
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No problem. Keep up the good work, Paul Chillage.
quoted 320 lines From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com>>From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com> >To: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>, <josh@undertone.com> >CC: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:55:57 -0700 > >thanks for the kind comments Paul. > >~swamay~ >www.mp3.com/swamay >www.swamay.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com> >To: <swamay@home.com>; <josh@undertone.com> >Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:10 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule > > > > ok swamay, > > I gave you the benefit of the doubt and logged on to mp3.com > > and had a listen to "what's your frequency" and "freq the technique" and >I > > liked both of the tracks.Obviously I couldn't hear everything in them > > because I'm using a 56kbps modem (fastest domestic connection available >in > > Ireland btw !!!!!!!) but I have to say that I then put on "Ageispolis" >and > > "Xtal" by the Aphex Twin and well you know who won. > > Your stuff is nice in an R'n'b meets electro vein (esp. wyf )but it kind >of > > limped along clutching its balls. > > It may be "cutting edge" but its still miles behind the above 2 tracks >(and > > you know how that album was mastered). > > Sorry. > > Maybe I'm the guy to make you try harder. > > Please do. > > But don't forget to get rid of your Kyma in 6 months. > > All the best, > > Paul Chillage. > > > > > > > > >From: "swamay" <swamay@home.com> > > >To: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com> > > >CC: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule > > >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:34:41 -0700 > > > > > >Simpler the better eh? not for me. i like options. dont like to >conform > > >to what i have been given. there is always more out there. > > > > > > > > ><<who needs more than a > > > > few waveforms, > > > > > >ME > > > > > ><<a couple envelopes and a couple of LFOs???? > > > > > >ME > > > > > ><< WHY????? > > > > > >so i can make more interesting music. > > > > > > >>? who wants to lug a computer to a gig???? > > > > > >ME > > > > > > > Have you ever considered that maybe the problem isn't that you don't > > > > have enough new gadgets, but that you just lack talent???? > > > > > >Yes i sold all my gadgets to get a computer system, I oooze talent.. >and > > >KNOW that. :) > > > > > > > > ><<> New sound and gadget obsession is not a sign of musical innovation, >it > > > > is a sign of boredom and boringness and means you are probably just >a > > > > sound designer who wishes he was a musician. SOund designers get >paid > > > > big bucks in hollywood to do special effects in sci-fi movies... Why >not > > > > go get a job in hollywood and you will be more successful than >99.99% >of > > > > all musicians out there.... > > > > > > > > >hahaha... I DO! :) that is why i bought KYMA in the first place :) > > > > > > > > ><<> ok so before you have even heard my album, the fact that I am using >a > > > > Nord, my guitar, a sampler and some effects already eliminates it >from > > > > consideration? man.... WOW you are just too much!>> > > > > > >No, I dont like guitars. Where can i hear your album...I will listen >to >it > > >gladly. :) > > > > > ><<> or because the fall in love with a particular instrument and it >always > > > > goes beyond their wildest dreams in satisfying their needs and they >have > > > > no reason to look elsewhere?>> > > > > > >more power to ya. :) But i would be surprised if ANY peice of gear > > >satisfied anyones need to where they dont have to look elsewhere. not >even > > >DSP systems (which are more advanced than anything else in the market) >go > > >beyond my wildest dreams. If a sampler and a few synths will go >beyond > > >your wildest dreams, then you are one LUCKY electronic musician. and >you > > >will save TONS of money over your carreer. > > > > > > > > ><<Well, I went through that > > > > phase and then I realized that nothing is really ever new anyway, we >all > > > > recycle our influences, and originality is great, but only when >combined > > > > with quality, which implies the ability to communicate emotions and > > > > ideas through music, some of which are timeless and old and others >are > > > > new... you have to be able to combine all of the forces together to > > > > achieve greatness...>> > > > > > >Jesus! do you even know what a KYMA does???? or beyond that, have you > > >used > > >one?? > > >So you know what it can do to your influences, your recylcled >influences. > > >Im happy with this "phase" im going thru. This "phase" allows me to do > > >things with my equipment you C > > >AN NOT do with any other peice of gear. > > > > > >I feel that anyone can make electronic music. my mother has given it a > > >shot > > >and she listens to jazz. But to be an innovator you must stay on top >of > > >technology and break barriers that no one else is. That is my hope >with > > >DSP > > >systems. And am sure this is why Atom Heart/Autechre/Low Rez and >others > > >buy > > >these systems, to get unique sounds, and to give them flexibility they >did > > >not have with conventional gear. > > > > > >Take it easy. > > > > > >~swamay~ > > > > > >www.mp3.com/swamay > > >www.swamay.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Josh Bown" <josh@undertone.com> > > >To: "swamay" <swamay@home.com> > > >Cc: "Paul Chillage" <paulchillage@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:56 PM > > >Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule > > > > > > > > > > comments inline below: > > > > > > > > swamay wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6 > > >months, > > > > > > >you're > > > > > > > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious > > >dedication > > > > > > >towards > > > > > > > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any > > >synthesizers > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > samplers. > > > > > > > > > > We both meant "hardware" synths and samplers. We use DSP or a >hybrid > > >of > > > > > hard/software. > > > > > using an ASR-10 or a KORG keyboard is a bit overreated. they dont >do > > >much > > > > > anymore. > > > > > We make "samplers" or "synths" on the computer now a days. > > > > > > > > who wants to lug a computer to a gig???? > > > > > > > > also, I like knobs!!!! the simpler the better... who needs more >than >a > > > > few waveforms, a couple envelopes and a couple of LFOs???? WHY????? > > > > Have you ever considered that maybe the problem isn't that you don't > > > > have enough new gadgets, but that you just lack talent???? > > > > > > > > New sound and gadget obsession is not a sign of musical innovation, >it > > > > is a sign of boredom and boringness and means you are probably just >a > > > > sound designer who wishes he was a musician. SOund designers get >paid > > > > big bucks in hollywood to do special effects in sci-fi movies... Why >not > > > > go get a job in hollywood and you will be more successful than >99.99% >of > > > > all musicians out there.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So once the album is over 6 months old its not relevant any more > > >because > > > > > the > > > > > > technology is "old"!!! > > > > > > > > > > No an album made in the past 6 months does not get dissed. But >using > > >the > > > > > "standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does. > > > > > Thats what i mean by be an innovator. > > > > > > > > ok so before you have even heard my album, the fact that I am using >a > > > > Nord, my guitar, a sampler and some effects already eliminates it >from > > > > consideration? man.... WOW you are just too much! > > > > > > > > > But course there are those musicians that will always use the same >old > > >gear, > > > > > because that is what they are comfortable with, and have no desire >to > > >move > > > > > forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the >learning > > > > > curve. > > > > > > > > or because the fall in love with a particular instrument and it >always > > > > goes beyond their wildest dreams in satisfying their needs and they >have > > > > no reason to look elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think most musicians have made a rep with the gear they have, >and > > >fear > > > > > rejection if their style changes in the slightest, due to new > > >unfamiliar > > > > > gear they are using. > > > > > > > > I think you must be smoking crack. Most musicians with any integrity > > > > care not one iota about their "rep" and will use whatever tools are > > > > necessary to accomplish the task at hand.... If you need a piano >sound, > > > > use a piano. If you need a rhodes keyboard sound, use one of those, >if > > > > you need a psychedelic synth sound, what's wrong with a Nord or even >an > > > > old MOOG or something? > > > > > > > > no hard feelings man, I just think you have a very unique taste or >that > > > > your style and taste is maybe going through a phase that I think we >have > > > > all been through where you focus on originality at all costs. In >other > > > > words, originality is all that matters, so just because no one else >has > > > > done it before or it's new makes it great... Well, I went through >that > > > > phase and then I realized that nothing is really ever new anyway, we >all > > > > recycle our influences, and originality is great, but only when >combined > > > > with quality, which implies the ability to communicate emotions and > > > > ideas through music, some of which are timeless and old and others >are > > > > new... you have to be able to combine all of the forces together to > > > > achieve greatness... > > > > > > > > in my humble opinion..... > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > >
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