quoted 4 lines I think that people are the most petty creatures. It seems they like to
> I think that people are the most petty creatures. It seems they like to
> make negative comments whenever they're not necessary. They also like to
> insult things they choose to be a part of instead of appreciating it for
> what it is or walking away from it if they can't appreciate it. People
are
quoted 3 lines also some of the most ironic creatures on earth. While complaining about
> also some of the most ironic creatures on earth. While complaining about
> petty arguments, they're making one themselves. No, I'm not talking about
> shaun making a petty comment about other petty comments or the fact that
he
quoted 1 line took a stab at hundreds of people involved in a list that brings forth a
> took a stab at hundreds of people involved in a list that brings forth a
lot
quoted 18 lines of interesting and helpful discussions when he could simply walk away
> of interesting and helpful discussions when he could simply walk away
> without incident. Never.
>
> Jacquie
> www.electronicwhore.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ±³§x"Þ <5tx@home.com>
> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
>
>
> > i think that the idm-l can be the most petty of mailing lists where it
> seems
> > like people from every corner will release all emotions into trying to
> justify
> > their opinions. it's almost as though there is something to be proven
by
quoted 2 lines petty
> petty
> > jabbering? this list sucks 90% of the time but there are a few good
things
quoted 14 lines (ie.
> (ie.
> > lancebot) that make it worth it
> >
> > shaun
> >
> >
> > > Hey Peter.
> > >
> > > I knew i would get bashed before i started these topics on this board
> and
> > > others.
> > > People get so defensive with these topics. I have started this
> discussion
> > > on numerous boards for the simple fact to let people know that these
DSP
quoted 1 line systems are available, are not as tough to learn as most think, are
> > > systems are available, are not as tough to learn as most think, are
not
quoted 2 lines as
> as
> > > expensive as most think, and what they do. So many electronic
musicians
quoted 7 lines do
> do
> > > not even know of this way of creating sound and music. They are still
> > > buying synths that are preset and not "open ended" It is not to put
> down
> > > what everyone is using, that we could do on the IDM making board. :)
> > >
> > > I only like IDM music. I have heard many types of music in my 25
years,
quoted 8 lines and
> and
> > > IDM is the most interesting to me. I think alot of others feel this
> way, on
> > > this list or not. But I do know lots of people like other types of
> music.
> > > I want to know why others are still into certain genres of music and
> why.
> > > My views on music are my own, and is obvious it is not shared by many
on
quoted 9 lines this list. I am an individual expressing how I feel. I know people
> > > this list. I am an individual expressing how I feel. I know people
> feel
> > > differently, and like to find out why they feel differently.
> > >
> > > Topics with lots of contreversy get lots of attention. After reading
> these
> > > posts, I hope many have visited sites for MAX, DP, Kyma, Pulsar and
> others,
> > > to learn what is available, and to see how new IDM music is being
made.
quoted 33 lines And
> And
> > > what a better place to discuss these issues than on this list.
> > >
> > > take it easy.
> > >
> > > ~swamay~
> > > www.swamay.com
> > > www.mp3.com/swamay
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Peter Shultz" <pashultz@Princeton.EDU>
> > > To: <swamay@home.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [idm] last 6 months rule
> > >
> > > > Hi Swamay and company,
> > > > Sorry to butt in, but I really don't think this is a very mature
> attitude.
> > > > Today's music technology is so sophisticated and rich that hardly
> anybody
> > > > can really put it to its full use without years of experience. I
> still
> > > use
> > > > my K2000 (invented in, what, 1990??), and am continually finding new
> > > sounds
> > > > and possibilities even on what would be considered today a
> comparatively
> > > > primitive machine. At this point, I'm a pretty advanced user, but
> there's
> > > > really no end to what can be done. Learn your instrument. Take the
> time
> > > to
> > > > get under the skin of your equipment, and you'll be surprised at
what
quoted 9 lines you'll
> > > you'll
> > > > find. Let's leave the "dedication towards forwarding musical
> technology"
> > > to
> > > > the people who actually produce the technology.
> > > > On the other hand, your attitude toward music, as expressed in your
> posts,
> > > > is totally foreign to me. You seem to be saying that music is only
> > > > interesting to you inasmuch as it presents shiny new sonorities.
Look
quoted 30 lines deeper! Instead of dismissing anything already done, open up to the
> > > > deeper! Instead of dismissing anything already done, open up to the
> > > > richness and history of the world around you! A grounding in
> classical
> > > > music probably won't help you program your Kyma any better, but it
> almost
> > > > certainly will help you mature in your sense of musical grammar and
> > > > structure. Don't you see? Innovation lies NOT in the gear, but in
> the
> > > > music!
> > > > And if you don't find the sound of an oboe fresh and exciting, just
> > > pretend
> > > > somebody programmed it in MAX/MSP.
> > > >
> > > > Peter
> > > >
> > > > > > > If you're not using technology developed within the last 6
> months,
> > > > > >you're
> > > > > > > a reflection of the past. Please, if you have a serious
> dedication
> > > > > >towards
> > > > > > > forwarding electronic music technology, don't use any
> synthesizers
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > samplers.
> > > >
> > > > >We both meant "hardware" synths and samplers. We use DSP or a
> hybrid of
> > > > >hard/software.
> > > > >using an ASR-10 or a KORG keyboard is a bit overreated. they dont
do
quoted 18 lines much
> > > much
> > > > >anymore.
> > > > >We make "samplers" or "synths" on the computer now a days.
> > > >
> > > > >>So once the album is over 6 months old its not relevant any more
> because
> > > > the
> > > > >> technology is "old"!!!
> > > >
> > > > > No an album made in the past 6 months does not get dissed. But
> using
> > > the
> > > > >"standard" off the shelf gear to make that album does.
> > > > >Thats what i mean by be an innovator.
> > > > >But course there are those musicians that will always use the same
> old
> > > > gear,
> > > > >because that is what they are comfortable with, and have no desire
to
quoted 40 lines move
> > > move
> > > > >forward with new gear. And also dont want to go throught the
> learning
> > > > >curve.
> > > >
> > > > >I think most musicians have made a rep with the gear they have, and
> fear
> > > > >rejection if their style changes in the slightest, due to new
> unfamiliar
> > > > >gear they are using.
> > > >
> > > > >regards..
> > > >
> > > > >~swamay~
> > > > >www.mp3.com/swamay
> > > > >www.swamay.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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