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It's not about musical talent. It's about hustle. Yes there's no doubt that hustling is a talent. Unfortunately, many hustlers aren't musically talented. And while I agree with "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all", I also believe that if we truly care about something (in this case it's music), at some point we have to stand up and speak. Or, we can just be content with being content, and cower in the corner our whole life, being afraid of offending someone, and wondering why things aren't changing. Besides, the people that are most easily offended are those who are acting offended on someone's else's behalf, not because they feel as though they've been insulted themselves. So many false martyrs. Especially with the internet. :) On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote:

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> As spotted by Matthieu Debliqui's moniker, today's music is full-on > subjectivity. > > From then, why should one use MIDI CC such as velocity -- which he, > besides, does (to my ears at least) -- or whatever soundsets if he won't > want to ? > > Not that i like Jlin's stuff : i actually couldn't feel farther from most > of this mailing-list prescriptions but -- sorry for crawler-sounding -- i > generally try to (but unfortunately not always succeed) stick to the << > *if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say,-don't-say-anything-at-all* > >>-saying. > > > On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: > >> my point is just that yes there are always going to be people better than >> you >> but that said, that just means you have to try even harder, or at least >> try >> bach was so talented that he had to do things like that to probably even >> challenge himself a little >> but anyone can download a pdf and learn about how to make their >> trap/footwork song better >> >> >> Clint Anderson >> Systems Engineer >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Laurent Knauth <laurent.knauth@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Fugue >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.akaipro.de/sites/default/files/downloads/MpcManual.1.3.pdf >>>> >>>> Clint Anderson >>>> Systems Engineer >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Laurent Knauth < >>>> laurent.knauth@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Problem is that you'll always encounter some more knowledgeable people >>>>> than you are... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> disclaimer: don't get too pissed off, i am trolling to some degree >>>>>> here :) >>>>>> >>>>>> just tried to listen to jlin's dark energy and gave up .... here are >>>>>> some tips for footwork producers: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. even your MPC has velocity control, that means that individual >>>>>> hits/notes/etc can actually be at different volumes from one another >>>>>> 2. the MPC can actually play samples at different pitches, in fact, >>>>>> you can create what are called 'melodies' consisting of two or more notes >>>>>> at different frequencies >>>>>> 3. for many decades now, devices known as 'effects' have been made >>>>>> available, many of which are built into your MPC -- for fun, trying >>>>>> applying an 'effect' to one of the sounds in your 'song' -- the results can >>>>>> be fascinating and are very popular in most every genre. >>>>>> 4. drum sounds -- did you know? you can load different drum sounds >>>>>> into your MPC. that's right, now, not every song has to use the same >>>>>> hi-hat, snare, and bassdrum, on every single one of your albums, for your >>>>>> entire career. >>>>>> 5. did you know? you can change the parameters of sounds on the MPC, >>>>>> using parameters like attack, decay, sustain and release, to alter your >>>>>> sounds >>>>>> 6. you can load more than 9 samples into your MPC. i know, it's >>>>>> confusing, because there are only 9 buttons, but, my understanding is that >>>>>> these buttons can actually be assigned to different sounds, and over the >>>>>> course of several albums, you could use different sounds on EVERY ALBUM or >>>>>> even every song >>>>>> >>>>>> i realize im not from the same background as people producing >>>>>> footwork, but i am 100% confident that a manual is provided for the MPC >>>>>> series >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clint Anderson >>>>>> Systems Engineer >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 4:36 PM, kent williams < >>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Who are you and where are you from? If you were African-American >>>>>>> and lived in Chicago, you might not like Footwork either, but I doubt you'd >>>>>>> belittle the entire genre. You're allowed your opinion, but your reaction >>>>>>> rubbed me the wrong way; you made it sound like the people making that >>>>>>> music were getting away with something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't live in Chicago but I go their a fair amount and know the >>>>>>> music scene there fairly well; the one thing I know is that it's serious, >>>>>>> and highly competitive. No one gets away with making mediocre music; any >>>>>>> Footwork tracks you're likely to hear released on e.g. Planet Mu is not >>>>>>> going to be half-assed. You may not like it, it may not speak to your >>>>>>> condition, but to criticize it that way makes me think you're just hearing >>>>>>> it, not listening to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And you're under no obligation to like it or listen to it. There's >>>>>>> too much music and life's too short to listen to things you don't enjoy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:41 PM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare >>>>>>>> to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole >>>>>>>> musical culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no >>>>>>>> understanding of the culture in which it grew up." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Careful, silly-pants Kent, you're walking the ignorant line >>>>>>>> yourself, and sounding like an academic from the burbs who's just trying to >>>>>>>> relate. You don't know me or where I'm from. If I'm from the same musical >>>>>>>> culture and the same socio-economic background as most peeps who make >>>>>>>> Footwork, am I still ignorant and shallow? Am I allowed to have an opinion >>>>>>>> then? Good, because I am. And most Footwork sucks. And I don't have to >>>>>>>> put "IMO" because I am the one saying it, and it's obviously my opinion. I >>>>>>>> much prefer Bluegrass. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, hugs all around! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:38 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Every genre defines conventions. Every genre, furthermore demands >>>>>>>>> a different sort of listening if you're going to understand and enjoy it. >>>>>>>>> To say "The genre that sounds like some kid forgot to add a snare to his >>>>>>>>> half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental" is to dismiss a whole musical >>>>>>>>> culture based on a very shallow listening experience, and no understanding >>>>>>>>> of the culture in which it grew up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Juke/Footwork music is very much the product of kids with cracked >>>>>>>>> copies of Fruity Loops; they work with the tools they have. The motivation >>>>>>>>> was to make music whose purpose is to accompany footwork dancing, which is >>>>>>>>> competetive, athletic and intense. The idea is to have the freshest, >>>>>>>>> trickiest rhythm, often played back on shitty boomboxes or Frankenstein >>>>>>>>> sound systems.. Footwork, like Jit in Detroit, is both dance and stylized >>>>>>>>> warfare; it sublimates the violence and frustration of life in "Chiraq." >>>>>>>>> It is something positive in an environment where people are confronted >>>>>>>>> daily with unrelenting negative things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's a billion footwork tracks and thousands of people making >>>>>>>>> it. Inevitably most of it is not very good, but like any other genre, when >>>>>>>>> it's good it's great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's OK not to like musical styles. I bet you're not so hot on >>>>>>>>> bluegrass music as well. But like my grandmother always told me about cream >>>>>>>>> corn, "it's better to say you don't care for it than say you hate it." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:26 PM David Bohan <madvlad00@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kent, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why does Jared have to be ignorant to not like Footwork? It seems >>>>>>>>>> like Jared just thinks this kind of music does not require much effort or >>>>>>>>>> much of it is the same. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I listened to the compilation album "Bangs & Works Vol. 1" and >>>>>>>>>> have found his sentiment to be true for most of the tracks on that release, >>>>>>>>>> with some exceptions of course. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now Jlin's release here is much more experimental and fresh >>>>>>>>>> sounding than the long tracks of TV show themes spread out over lazy beats. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ignorant or silly? Either way, I can't help myself, Kent! >>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, Jlin's stuff isn't that bad. But for some reason it all sounds a >>>>>>>>>>> bit unfinished to me. But if peeps want to call it minimal, so be it! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:18 PM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jared, stop being ignorant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:04 AM Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ah yes, Footwork. The genre that sounds like some kid forgot >>>>>>>>>>>>> to add a snare to his half-assed Fruity Loops rap instrumental. Yay >>>>>>>>>>>>> world! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 10:51 AM, David Bohan < >>>>>>>>>>>>> madvlad00@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of "Footwork"... is this a new genre of music >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The tracks you linked to sound interesting to say the least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Find it also curious that Jlin works at a steel mill in Gary, Indiana... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not much music prides itself on coming from Indiana >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:29 AM, kent williams < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the IDM list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>

-- 22tape/jared dunne listen <http://22tape.com>