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From:
Laurent Knauth
To:
Clint Anderson
Cc:
Eric Fairbanks , kent williams , IDM
Date:
Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:26:38 +0100
Subject:
Re: New Squarepusher track
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Back in the Protracker days, i once recorded the Amiga channels onto cassette and resampled the track this way. Quite blurry, RAM-hog (4 bars) and slightly unsync'ed. On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 136 lines heh in the .mod days ppl would use mod2wav to make patterns from their> heh in the .mod days ppl would use mod2wav to make patterns from their > .mod files into wav files, the idea being that since you only had 4 tracks > if you could write a 4 track beat and mix it down to 1 wav file you could > free up 3 channels > </mod-nerd> > > > Clint Anderson > Systems Engineer > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Eric Fairbanks < > eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oh man, those stutter-rolls. That's friggin' impressive. They sound so >> smooth, and the volume envelopes are perfect. >> >> Must've taken a hellovalot of time. :P >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> This track was made entirely in Sound Forge >>> http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/SoFarSoSo/02%20Morton%27s%20Shadow.mp3 >>> >>> This was from this album >>> http://music.cornwarning.com/2009/01/31/so-far-so-so-retrospective-1995-2005/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd >>>> figure out the number of samples in a 4-beat measures, create that much >>>> silence, and turn on the selection grid in Sound Forge so I could see where >>>> the beats were, and paste/mix samples in. Once I had some basic patterns >>>> and sounds, I'd make copies and fuck them up, and string them out and >>>> paste-mix other loops into the master mix. >>>> >>>> I'm really comfortable working directly with waveforms. It's a lot >>>> easier these days with other tools, but I liked that method better than the >>>> other options of the time, which were trackers. >>>> >>>> Though I did do trackers to generate loops that I'd arrange in Acid. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:16 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah man, Acid Pro. That's exactly what I was picturing. I've heard of >>>>> musicians who work like that, but it sounds like a nightmare. Might as well >>>>> compose music in a video editor at that point IMO. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I did it kind of as a dare for myself. I was working in Acid Pro, and >>>>>> I cut the break into chunks, and then looped a bar or two bars, and >>>>>> copy/paste bits into the loop until it feels full. Then move on to the >>>>>> next measure. >>>>>> >>>>>> It wasn't hard, but it made me hate those particular sounds by the >>>>>> time I was done. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:44 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>>>>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kent, that's nuts. I can't imagine working with sampled breaks in an >>>>>>> audio editor. (well, I suppose I can, but it sounds like a serious >>>>>>> headache) My recent jam has been writing LUA scripts that >>>>>>> generate/transform patterns in Renoise that re-arrange cut up breakbeats. >>>>>>> Editing and manipulating breaks and sequences in a tracker at 180+ BPM >>>>>>> 8/16LPB is work enough. Cutting up breaks in an audio editor represents a >>>>>>> level of long-term focus and dedication that I'm unfamiliar with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Totally hypothetical, but if Jenkinson handed me a spec for some >>>>>>> beatmangling software, I'd happily implement it in return for some spastic >>>>>>> Squarepusher-brand breakcore. >.> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:24 PM kent williams < >>>>>>> chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure I'd call it piss-weak. Not sure if I like it yet, but >>>>>>>> I enjoy the melodic content. It sounds like he's using the Eventide effects >>>>>>>> rack as a synthesizer again -- that buzzy foreground sound, which comes >>>>>>>> from playing bass through it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Closest contemporary comparison is the PC Music stuff, which is >>>>>>>> manically shiny in a similar way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can't fault him for trying to do something that sounds >>>>>>>> different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As regards the Amen break, I did a track years ago that involved >>>>>>>> loading the Amen break as a sample, and then cutting and arranging it so >>>>>>>> every bar was different, across 5 minutes. As you can imagine this amounted >>>>>>>> to about 8 hours of painstaking zoomed-in editing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ever since doing that, I'm allergic to the Amen. I don't mind if >>>>>>>> people use it in their tracks, but if I load it a sampler and start messing >>>>>>>> with it, I start feeling sad and wishing it would go away. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM CRAIG SIMPSON < >>>>>>>> craignorms@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is pis* weak. Hes making music that sounds like its all been >>>>>>>>> sampled from an arcade or funfair. Hes given up on the amen break. It's a >>>>>>>>> tragedy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:06:04 -0700 >>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:47 -0700 >>>>>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>>>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had to review a 12" or two for the radio station where I DJ, and >>>>>>>>> I've never heard anything that appealed to me in the least. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> kent williams wrote: >>>>>>>>> > I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the IDM >>>>>>>>> > list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >