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kent williams
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Eric Fairbanks ,
Date:
Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:05:35 +0000
Subject:
Re: New Squarepusher track
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This track was made entirely in Sound Forge http://www.cornwarning.com/chaircrusher/SoFarSoSo/02%20Morton%27s%20Shadow.mp3 This was from this album http://music.cornwarning.com/2009/01/31/so-far-so-so-retrospective-1995-2005/ On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:02 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 101 lines Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd figure> Before Acid Pro, I did a whole bunch of tracks in Sound Forge. I'd figure > out the number of samples in a 4-beat measures, create that much silence, > and turn on the selection grid in Sound Forge so I could see where the > beats were, and paste/mix samples in. Once I had some basic patterns and > sounds, I'd make copies and fuck them up, and string them out and paste-mix > other loops into the master mix. > > I'm really comfortable working directly with waveforms. It's a lot easier > these days with other tools, but I liked that method better than the other > options of the time, which were trackers. > > Though I did do trackers to generate loops that I'd arrange in Acid. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:16 PM Eric Fairbanks <eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Ah man, Acid Pro. That's exactly what I was picturing. I've heard of >> musicians who work like that, but it sounds like a nightmare. Might as well >> compose music in a video editor at that point IMO. >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I did it kind of as a dare for myself. I was working in Acid Pro, and I >>> cut the break into chunks, and then looped a bar or two bars, and >>> copy/paste bits into the loop until it feels full. Then move on to the >>> next measure. >>> >>> It wasn't hard, but it made me hate those particular sounds by the time >>> I was done. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 3:44 PM Eric Fairbanks < >>> eric.p.fairbanks@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Kent, that's nuts. I can't imagine working with sampled breaks in an >>>> audio editor. (well, I suppose I can, but it sounds like a serious >>>> headache) My recent jam has been writing LUA scripts that >>>> generate/transform patterns in Renoise that re-arrange cut up breakbeats. >>>> Editing and manipulating breaks and sequences in a tracker at 180+ BPM >>>> 8/16LPB is work enough. Cutting up breaks in an audio editor represents a >>>> level of long-term focus and dedication that I'm unfamiliar with. >>>> >>>> Totally hypothetical, but if Jenkinson handed me a spec for some >>>> beatmangling software, I'd happily implement it in return for some spastic >>>> Squarepusher-brand breakcore. >.> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 4:24 PM kent williams <chaircrusher@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure I'd call it piss-weak. Not sure if I like it yet, but I >>>>> enjoy the melodic content. It sounds like he's using the Eventide effects >>>>> rack as a synthesizer again -- that buzzy foreground sound, which comes >>>>> from playing bass through it. >>>>> >>>>> Closest contemporary comparison is the PC Music stuff, which is >>>>> manically shiny in a similar way. >>>>> >>>>> You can't fault him for trying to do something that sounds different. >>>>> >>>>> As regards the Amen break, I did a track years ago that involved >>>>> loading the Amen break as a sample, and then cutting and arranging it so >>>>> every bar was different, across 5 minutes. As you can imagine this amounted >>>>> to about 8 hours of painstaking zoomed-in editing. >>>>> >>>>> Ever since doing that, I'm allergic to the Amen. I don't mind if >>>>> people use it in their tracks, but if I load it a sampler and start messing >>>>> with it, I start feeling sad and wishing it would go away. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 7:21 AM CRAIG SIMPSON <craignorms@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is pis* weak. Hes making music that sounds like its all been >>>>>> sampled from an arcade or funfair. Hes given up on the amen break. It's a >>>>>> tragedy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:06:04 -0700 >>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Subject: Fwd: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:47 -0700 >>>>>> From: gwrenchxx@sbcglobal.net >>>>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>>>>> Subject: Re: Jlin album out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've had to review a 12" or two for the radio station where I DJ, and >>>>>> I've never heard anything that appealed to me in the least. >>>>>> >>>>>> kent williams wrote: >>>>>> > I'm surprised footwork/juke hasn't been a bigger thing on the IDM >>>>>> > list. This new record on Planet Mu is revelatory. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.planet.mu/discography/ZIQ356 >>>>>> >>>>>>