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From:
Kent williams
To:
Gareth Metford
Cc:
'idm@hyperreal.org'
Date:
Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:02:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject:
Re: (idm) mo' 2-step
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Some of the attributions in this post are missing an author. My apologies. Sometimes I feel like John Barth with this stuff. When he was in Iowa City He had cards with quotation marks and parantheses that he held up to help us keep track of how his discource nested ... Thanks to Gareth for a very substantive reply, almost all of which I deleted. If you blew by his post go back and have a look. On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Gareth Metford wrote:
quoted 14 lines i always saw two-step> > > i always saw two-step > > as the whole armani-suit 'sarf' london well-dressed > > (over-dressed?) champagne ritzy club thang, rather > > than any big underground experience. or is two-step > > and speed garage not the same thing? > > > So presumably what your saying is that 2-step IS a cultural force? > > Yer avin a barf aintcha? So going to a nightclub in yer beamer dressed > > in moschino, ordering champagne and partaking of a few lines of the > > white stuff is doing something that is a 'cultural force'? > > Well, I think there's more to it than that. But this whole business of the > champagne-swilling 2-step lifestyle *is* a tricky one, no doubt.
Not to speak for a bunch of people I've never met and probably never will meet, but ... I can't imagine that its any different than any young urban minority who have by their efforts have achieved some success. The way you show your success is by it's material fruits, so you dress up nice, tip big, and buy the best beverages. When you're just one generation away from poverty, material success is always a cause for celebration. It just happens that in the UK, underground garage has sprung up and reflects that celebration. In fact the producers arise from the same situation -- they're the first generation who could afford to own professional recording equipment, and work things out for themselves. Where I'm from I've been at parties for a group known as the Black Graduate Professionals, and they're all about dressing sharp and listening to R&B-influenced hip hop. It's about Juvenile and D"Angelo instead of 2-step, but it's the same thing: People in a certain position in life looking for music that speaks to their condition. So how can it not be a cultural force? You don't have to listen to it if you don't like it, but don't dismiss it as trivial. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org