quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From Drusca <drusca@world.std.com> =====>===== Original Message From Drusca <drusca@world.std.com> =====quoted 5 lines As someone already pointed out there's a difference between syncopation and>As someone already pointed out there's a difference between syncopation and
>polyrhythms, though I guess this can get a bit blurry sometimes. I'd say
>something is polyrhythmic if you consistently have phrases built in different
>time signatures occurring simultaneously - which end up resolving
>asymmetrically. Where things get blurry is when you have a pattern in
triplets
quoted 3 lines over a 4/4 beat (especially if there are straight 8ths or 16ths going at the>over a 4/4 beat (especially if there are straight 8ths or 16ths going at the
>same time) which DO resolve at the same point. I guess that would be a
>polyrhythm !?
An enthnomusicologist (wah!) I got chatting with from a newsgroup informed me
that where you have things running at the same tempo, but with different bar
lengths, that is called "collotomy". So far as I know that's also a kind of
operation of the lower intestine, but at the time web searches seemed to back
up this guy's use of the term! :)
So, say 5s against 4s in a polyrhythmic could be counted by two people like
this:
1st part: 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 ...
2nd part: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 ...
Whereas collotomy with the same patterns would go like this:
1st part: 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 4 5 1 ...
2nd part: 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 ...
Mind you, I'm sure you could have a combination, so that, say, the 1st part,
while in moving in groups of 5 _tempo-wise_ is actually a 6 beat phrase.
*bleeds from ears*
:)
Anyway, collotomy is _much_ more common in dance-related stuff, so far as I
can tell. Commonly just loops of different length in a common tempo...
quoted 1 line If you wanna hear pretty fucked up polyrhythmic "techno" check out Async>If you wanna hear pretty fucked up polyrhythmic "techno" check out Async
Sense
quoted 1 line on Imbalance. It's sort of Jeff Mills meets Steve Reich.>on Imbalance. It's sort of Jeff Mills meets Steve Reich.
Sounds like a fine thing to me. :) Imbalance being the label connected to
Robert Henke from Monolake?
I have to say another thing that niggles me about how the word is used is that
most of those citing great "polyrhythmic" stuff would probably find something
genuinely polyrhythmic hideous and unlistenable. Not that I'd blame them
ordinarily. :)
Michael
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