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Funny Jamie, although I feel the same way about Twin idolization, I also think the same thing applies to Detroit. Just about everything I've bought out of Detroit (and I've bought a lot) leaves me rather cold. They may have been pioneers, but I'd rather listen to Devo's "Mongloid" endlessly repeated than my Model 500 releases.

quoted 6 lines Funny Jamie, although I feel the same way about Twin idolization, I also think

> > Funny Jamie, although I feel the same way about Twin idolization, I also think > the same thing applies to Detroit. Just about everything I've bought out of > Detroit (and I've bought a lot) leaves me rather cold. They may have been > pioneers, but I'd rather listen to Devo's "Mongloid" endlessly repeated than > my Model 500 releases.

You talkin' Detroit techno and "trance"? Yeah, try to get imports, they're MUCH better. Much of the stuff I get is German and UK trance. I hate techno. I hate boring *thump*thump* and tweaky stuff. I'm not sure if I should even be considered a "trance" DJ anymore cause I think the stuff I have is a pretty original style and when people here in America think "trance" they think *thump*tweak*BORING!* ObIDM: My sampled DJ set opens with Biosphere's "SETI Project" FTP techno.stanford.edu:/pub/raves/song-samples/DJsets/DJKC_March94.wav Good example of good trance. later, -kc

On Wed, 18 May 1994, djkc wrote:

quoted 7 lines You talkin' Detroit techno and "trance"?

> You talkin' Detroit techno and "trance"? > > Yeah, try to get imports, they're MUCH better. Much of the stuff I get > is German and UK trance. I hate techno. I hate boring *thump*thump* > and tweaky stuff. I'm not sure if I should even be considered a "trance" > DJ anymore cause I think the stuff I have is a pretty original style and > when people here in America think "trance" they think *thump*tweak*BORING!*

Huh? You guys must be buying different stuff from Detroit than I am... have you heard any Drexciya? Carl Craig? the more experimental UR stuff? Are you guys relying on comps to tell you what Detroit techno sounds like? I happen to find the early works of May, Atkins, et. al. bracing and soulful, but the mistake a lot of people make is to generalize these works as if they _alone_ define the length and breadth of the musical output of the city. Preconceived notions seem to preclude the possibility that Model 500's "No UFO's" and 69's "Ladies & Gentlemen" came from the same zip code. Next subject: I'm at the point where I think the term "trance" should be retired anyway, along with "hardcore" -- these terms have been applied so loosely and indiscriminately that when you use one you have to spend a few more sentences explaining what you _really_ mean ("Hardcore, you know, like Jeff Mills. No, not gabber. Not English breaks either...") What passes for trance on these miserable comps labels are pushing now makes me almost physically ill. What's worse is that the abysmal quality of this stuff leads people to make inane generalizations ("4/4 bad, 909 evil, birdy samples gooood!"). ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services marmoset@msen.com me & my robots

dave walker wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Wed, 18 May 1994, djkc wrote:

> > > On Wed, 18 May 1994, djkc wrote: > > > You talkin' Detroit techno and "trance"? > > > > Huh? You guys must be buying different stuff from Detroit than I am... > have you heard any Drexciya? Carl Craig? the more experimental UR stuff? > Are you guys relying on comps to tell you what Detroit techno sounds like? > > dave walker, detroit art services > marmoset@msen.com me & my robots >

Well, I didn't say ALL Detroit (and surrounding areas) material is bad, but then again, somehow, it seems I may have generalized. I had certain techno in mind...I'll give examples more often from now on, but I can't think of any since I don't bother to get into the names of stuff I don't buy. Anyway, a point is, I buy more import 12"s than domestic... This thread started from Pete's post comparing Detroit and Aphex... and I don't think the stuff I spin when DJing isn't really IDM, so I'll stop here. Just wanted to point out that I wasn't generalizing and that there is in fact great material out of that area! I like what I've heard of UR so far. BTW, Where is Speedy J from? -djkc

On Wed, 18 May 1994, djkc wrote:

quoted 1 line BTW, Where is Speedy J from?

> BTW, Where is Speedy J from?

Holland, though his sound is definitely more Belleville (MI) than Rotterdam :). | Dave Walker, Detroit Art Services (DAS) | | | | marmoset@msen.com At this point things get a little hazy. |