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1994-04-02 04:38luftdruck FYI.rBGH
└─ 1994-04-02 07:23Harvey Thornburg Re: FYI.rBGH
├─ 1994-04-02 10:25djkc Re: FYI.rBGH
│ └─ 1994-04-02 22:19Harvey Thornburg Re: FYI.rBGH
│ ├─ 1994-04-03 02:05djkc Re: FYI.rBGH
│ └─ 1994-04-04 17:27Michael King Re: FYI.rBGH
└─ 1994-04-02 17:30Stu Shea Re: FYI.rBGH
1994-04-02 22:37Harvey Thornburg Re: FYI.rBGH
└─ 1994-04-03 02:10djkc Re: FYI.rBGH
1994-04-03 03:14argon lazer battlegrid Re: FYI.rBGH
1994-04-03 05:20Lazlo Nibble Re: FYI.rBGH
└─ 1994-04-03 13:38djkc Re: FYI.rBGH
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1994-04-02 04:38luftdrucki apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its pertinence to our culture
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Fri, 01 Apr 1994 23:38:15 -0500 (EST)
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i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its pertinence to our culture is certain. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ * ATTENTION * CONSUMERS * ATTENTION * CONSUMERS * ATTENTION * CONSUMERS* /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Untested, unlabeled, genetically engineered hormones enter dairy goods. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Starting on Feb. 3, 1994, milk, cheese, butter, ice cream, yogurt, beef, and infant formula sold and consumed throughout the United States will contain genetically engineered recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH) - also know as Bovine Somatotropin (BST). Recently, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the use of rBGH in dairy cows without long-term testing of the hormone's health effects on the consumer. What is it? ^^^^^^^^^^^ rBGH is a drug which acts to "rev up" the cows system, forcing them to produce a higher output of milk, but in the process makes them sick. The FDA and Monsanto Chemical (the giant chemical conglomerate that won the FDA approval) admit that the cows injected with rBGH suffer from increased udder infections (mastitis) and greater stress and disease. A multitude of health concerns are currently being debated on both sides of this issue and we welcome you to research and decide about them individually. Why do we need this in our dairy system? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The simple answer is, WE DON'T. American dairy farmers already produce such a massive surplus of milk and cheese that taxpayers spend billions to buy up the excess. The use of rBGH to create an even greater milk surplus will cost the American taxpayer additional billions in dairy price supports. This overproduction of milk caused by rBGH will force 30 percent of American dairy farmers out of business within 36 months of its introduction to the market. For each dairy farmer driven out of business, 25 other dairy-related jobs will also be lost. So why has the FDA approved the use of this drug? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It's happened because chemical and pharmaceutical giants like Monsanto, Eli Lilly, American Cyanamid, and Upjohn have invested hundreds of millions of dollars developing a product that has absolutely no consumer benefit, and is potentially dangerous, BUT WILL EARN THEM BILLIONS. The risks associated with rBGH use has led the European Economic (EC) to make a preliminary decision to ban the use of rBGH until after the year 2000. How do we know what we are eating? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You won't be able to avoid eating rBGH contaminated foods because the FDA refuses to require labeling of rBGH-derived foods. The FDA decision is an outrage considering that, according to recent surveys, more than 90 percent of consumers favor labeling of rBGH products so they can avoid buying them. How can we overcome this situation? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A MASSIVE CONSUMER BOYCOTT is our only hope for defeat of this product as well as the thousands of other harmful genetically engineered foods to come. The Vegetarian Awareness Committee of the State University of New York at Plattsburgh has utilized the following petition arranged by the Pure Food Campaign and will forward it to all the major dairy producers in the country. If you would like your name added to this petition, please send a message to the following address with "I OPPOSE rBGH", your full name, and zip code as whole body of the message. We the people can work further on-line. PICK1731@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU or PICK1731@SNYPLAVA.BITNET Where can you get more information? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ All information listed here has been supplied by the Pure Food Campaign, a project of the Foundation on Economic Trends, 1130 17th St., N.W., Suite 300, Washington, D.C., 20036 (1-800-451-7670). For a partial listing of producers, distributors, brand name companies, and supermarket chains that are free of synthetic rBGH please send a separate message to PICK1731@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU with "rBGH-FREE LIST" as the body of the message. --> PLEASE FORWARD THIS DOCUMENT TO ANY AND ALL PEOPLE YOU FEEL WOULD BE --> INTERESTED AND PLEASE REMEMBER TO DELETE PREVIOUS HEADERS IN ORDER TO --> KEEP THE FORWARDED MESSAGE IN ITS ORIGINAL FORM. *************************************************************************** Referenced Vendor Address Dear Dairy Vendor/Manufacturer/Seller: We the undersigned, pledge to boycott foods contaminated with "recomb- inant Bovine Growth Hormone" (rBGH), and other genetically engineered food products. We demand that all milk, dairy, and beef products be clearly labeled as to whether or not they are derived from cows injected with synthetic genetically engineered hormones. We will refuse to purchase milk, dairy, or beef products that do not bear a label stating that they are rBGH free. We will patronize only those dairy and beef producers who have pledged, in a written affidavit, to remain completely rBGH-free. Signatures <^> | michael j. pickering \/ 6 4 1 | pick1731@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu <@@> ^^^ | aeiou.&.sometimes.y ...00
1994-04-02 07:23Harvey Thornburgluftdruck wrote: > > > i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its > p
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luftdruck wrote:
quoted 5 lines i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its> > > i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its > pertinence to our culture is certain. >
[Bosh deleted] You may be surprised with the diversity of opinions within this group. At best, what you represent is but _one_ side of the dialectic. Please keep your opinions to a more appropriate forum. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------|------------------------------ "categories strain, crack, and sometimes break | Harvey D. Thornburg step out of the space provided" -NWW | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|----------------------------
1994-04-02 10:25djkc> > luftdruck wrote: > > > > > > i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, b
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quoted 14 lines luftdruck wrote:> > luftdruck wrote: > > > > > > i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its > > pertinence to our culture is certain. > > > > [Bosh deleted] > > You may be surprised with the diversity of opinions within this group. At > best, what you represent is but _one_ side of the dialectic. Please keep > your opinions to a more appropriate forum. Thank you. >
First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harvey, you're a fool! Second, if you are not AGAINST the contents of what you eat being UNLABELED, then you're fool. And third, If I've taken you seriously where I should have not, the I'm a fool! -DJKC
1994-04-02 22:19Harvey Thornburgdjkc wrote: > First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harvey, >
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djkc wrote:
quoted 2 lines First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harvey,> First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harvey, > you're a fool!
I thought I received the msg. dated Apr. 2, and this morning I received some mail from the guy stating that he was quite serious.
quoted 4 lines Second, if you are not AGAINST the contents of what you eat being UNLABELED,> > Second, if you are not AGAINST the contents of what you eat being UNLABELED, > then you're fool. >
I never said I was _against_ the positions presented in the post (although it _did_ oversimplify things tremendously). My objection was to the use of the mailing list for discussing this matter, which has nothing to do with raves or idm, and more deeply the underlying assumption that just because we associate somewhat with the "rave" culture we would all homogenously hold that view.
quoted 1 line -DJKC> -DJKC
-schwet ------------------------------------------------|------------------------------ "categories strain, crack, and sometimes break | Harvey D. Thornburg step out of the space provided" -NWW | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|----------------------------
1994-04-03 02:05djkc> > djkc wrote: > > First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harv
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Sat, 2 Apr 1994 20:05:03 -0600 (CST)
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quoted 8 lines djkc wrote:> > djkc wrote: > > First, if this is an April Fool's joke (which I hope it is), then Harvey, > > you're a fool! > > I thought I received the msg. dated Apr. 2, and this morning I received some > mail from the guy stating that he was quite serious. >
Unfortunately it's not a joke.
quoted 12 lines Second, if you are not AGAINST the contents of what you eat being UNLABELED,> > > > Second, if you are not AGAINST the contents of what you eat being UNLABELED, > > then you're fool. > > > > I never said I was _against_ the positions presented in the post (although it > _did_ oversimplify things tremendously). My objection was to the use of the > mailing list for discussing this matter, which has nothing to do with raves > or idm, and more deeply the underlying assumption that just because we > associate somewhat with the "rave" culture we would all homogenously hold > that view. >
I see. You *are* displaying open-mindedness by recognizing that there just may be a justified argument on the opposing end...but I somehow think not as these are money grubbing corporations who care nothing about our health! And you're not keeping with the rave mentality in that we *ARE* a part of this and that it *IS* relevant to us, because we aren't just "ravers", we are somewhere between a subculture and a counter-culture which combats shit like this. I believe most ravers have very similar ideals when it comes to politics, society, humanity, "religion", interrelations, etc... We don't oppose mainstream, dominant society for the sake of it...we are a part of this and have to live with it (the norms and values) everyday, but we do what we can to change the bad to good. We're not OUTSIDE of the mainstream, we are just an extension of it's good side of it... thus, we are able to see from the inside AND the outside, and make changes accordingly and rationally (unlike some extremists such as KKK). "We're not dropping out, we're infiltrating and taking over!" "Think globally, act locally!" -DJKC
1994-04-04 17:27Michael KingFrom the cyberdesk of: Harvey Thornburg > I never said I was _against_ the positions prese
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Mon, 4 Apr 1994 12:27:10 -0500 (CDT)
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From the cyberdesk of: Harvey Thornburg
quoted 6 lines I never said I was _against_ the positions presented in the post (although it> I never said I was _against_ the positions presented in the post (although it > _did_ oversimplify things tremendously). My objection was to the use of the > mailing list for discussing this matter, which has nothing to do with raves > or idm, and more deeply the underlying assumption that just because we > associate somewhat with the "rave" culture we would all homogenously hold > that view.
It also holds that we subscribers are all US citizens who are affected by this law. Not necessarily are the set of subscribers to this list a subset of the set of US Citizens. i.e. the non-US members could probably care less. But, then again, he did mention before-hand the off-topic nature of the post, and if you were disinclined to read it, the "D" key was only right in front of your finger.... Personally, I'll let it slide. It's not like we get twenty or thirty of those a week on the list here. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael King mike%delta1@rex.cs.tulane.edu Delta Systems New Orleans, LA 70002 Voice: 504.837.9835 Fax: 504.837.9838 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never under estimate the bandwidth of a station wagon loaded with mag tapes. -Karl Kleinpaste, postmaster Ohio State University ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1994-04-02 17:30Stu SheaOn Fri, 1 Apr 1994, Harvey Thornburg wrote: > luftdruck wrote: > > > > > > i apologize for
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On Fri, 1 Apr 1994, Harvey Thornburg wrote:
quoted 12 lines luftdruck wrote:> luftdruck wrote: > > > > > > i apologize for the lack of rave-relation in this post, but its > > pertinence to our culture is certain. > > > > [Bosh deleted] > > You may be surprised with the diversity of opinions within this group. At > best, what you represent is but _one_ side of the dialectic. Please keep > your opinions to a more appropriate forum. Thank you.
...and yours? stu
1994-04-02 22:37Harvey ThornburgIrdial-Discs wrote: [...] > Its just a shame that whenever > someone tries to do a good th
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Irdial-Discs wrote: [...]
quoted 6 lines Its just a shame that whenever> Its just a shame that whenever > someone tries to do a good thing with the net theres always some > prat who acts like a sysadmin/god saying 'you are off subject'. > Try and be a little more patient/interested when someone is trying > to help you out; you might learn something. >
How exactly is posting this in a bunch of irrelevant mailing lists doing a "good thing with the net"??? One would suppose that posting to a list for food labeling policies would be much more effective, not to mention being more appropriate. And why the blanket supposition that I, or other members of this list _need_ help? I see we still have not vanquished the shadow of universalism... To be fair, however, I am usually the _last_ person to bitch about off-subject postings. In fact, I make them from time to time myself. Keeps things a little lighter; broadens discussion. Plus, you can just delete them if worst comes to worst. It is much more destructive to a mailing list when people _don't_ post about pertinent things than when they post something totally off-subject. My reason for flaming the poster was instead in the underlying assumption that people who listen to this type of music are going to necessarily agree with him, or that train of thought in general. When aesthetics, personal/cultural association, and politics are strung out in some illusory stereotypical thread, all are cheapened. In a perverse sort of way, then, his posting was very much on subject. :) -schwet ------------------------------------------------|------------------------------ "categories strain, crack, and sometimes break | Harvey D. Thornburg step out of the space provided" -NWW | hthornbu@osiris.ac.hmc.edu ------------------------------------------------|----------------------------
1994-04-03 02:10djkc> Plus, you can just delete them if worst > comes to worst. It is much more destructive to
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quoted 5 lines Plus, you can just delete them if worst> Plus, you can just delete them if worst > comes to worst. It is much more destructive to a mailing list when people > _don't_ post about pertinent things than when they post something totally > off-subject. >
Right. I'm really glad I got that kinda news, even though it makes me furious. When crap like that is going on in our country, I think the net SHOULD be used as much as possible to distribute the news....and it IS a good thing. -DJKC
1994-04-03 03:14argon lazer battlegridAt 8:10 PM 4/2/94 -0600, djkc wrote: >> Plus, you can just delete them if worst >> comes t
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At 8:10 PM 4/2/94 -0600, djkc wrote:
quoted 7 lines Plus, you can just delete them if worst>> Plus, you can just delete them if worst >> comes to worst. It is much more destructive to a mailing list when people >> _don't_ post about pertinent things than when they post something totally >> off-subject. > >Right. I'm really glad I got that kinda news, even though it makes me furious. >When crap like that is going on in our country, I think the net SHOULD be used
That is right. Your country. At the moment, this does not pertain to my country and it's food additive regualtions. It is completely ludicrous for the poster to expect me, in a different country altogether, to be overtly concerned about what goes on in your country.
quoted 1 line as much as possible to distribute the news....and it IS a good thing.>as much as possible to distribute the news....and it IS a good thing.
While I agree with the dissemination of informantion like this, I don't think worldwide distribution is neccessary for something so localized. Chris Fraser ub141@freenet.victoria.bc.ca cfraser@island.amtsgi.bc.ca Finger me here for my PGP public key--^ "Note: Some very inexpensive pedals are not serviceable. Other pedals are theoretically possible to service, but seem designed to discourage it. When these need work, we suggest you work them into a garbage can, and get a new pair of pedals." Bridgestone Owner's Manual, Bridgestone Cycle USA.
1994-04-03 05:20Lazlo Nibble> And you're not keeping with the rave mentality in that we *ARE* a part of > this and tha
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quoted 4 lines And you're not keeping with the rave mentality in that we *ARE* a part of> And you're not keeping with the rave mentality in that we *ARE* a part of > this and that it *IS* relevant to us, because we aren't just "ravers", we > are somewhere between a subculture and a counter-culture which combats > shit like this.
So what? RANDOM POLITICAL POSTINGS DO NOT BELONG ON THIS MAILING LIST. If Jesse Helms starts blaming trance music for the rise in gang violence or Richard James has his visa denied because some State Department clone figures he's not "worthy" to enter the States, that might be relevant to IDM. The scrap over hormones and milk isn't.
quoted 2 lines I believe most ravers have very similar ideals when it comes to> I believe most ravers have very similar ideals when it comes to > politics, society, humanity, "religion", interrelations, etc...
There are plenty of other places to discuss progressive politics. I believe most people subscribed to this list to discuss music. -- Lazlo (lazlo@unm.edu)
1994-04-03 13:38djkcLazlo wrote: > >DJKC wrote: > > I believe most ravers have very similar ideals when it com
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Lazlo wrote:
quoted 8 lines DJKC wrote:> >DJKC wrote: > > I believe most ravers have very similar ideals when it comes to > > politics, society, humanity, "religion", interrelations, etc... > > There are plenty of other places to discuss progressive politics. I > believe most people subscribed to this list to discuss music. >
You're right. I was just being difficult! :) But I do hope we can close that thread with AGREEMENT on the fact that the whole rBGH thing is an example of how we as little people can easily get screwed by big people such as the corporations involved and/or big brother. -kc