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Jon Drukman writes:

quoted 3 lines also, is there anyone out there that can tell me about 'one dove'?

>>also, is there anyone out there that can tell me about 'one dove'? > >lame pop dance. except for "transient truth" which is really excellent.

Don't listen to him. One Dove are excellent. They're sort of Ambient Dub with Singing. Most of the songs have a dub feeling to them and they are kind of ambient. I'd definitely call it intelligent dance music. The singer is called Dot. She sounds like a Cocteau Twin with a sex life. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se (admits to having a poster of Dot in his kitchen)

quoted 14 lines Jon Drukman writes:

> > Jon Drukman writes: > > >>also, is there anyone out there that can tell me about 'one dove'? > > > >lame pop dance. except for "transient truth" which is really excellent. > > Don't listen to him. One Dove are excellent. They're sort of Ambient Dub > with Singing. Most of the songs have a dub feeling to them and they are > kind of ambient. I'd definitely call it intelligent dance music. The singer > is called Dot. She sounds like a Cocteau Twin with a sex life. > > - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se > (admits to having a poster of Dot in his kitchen)

Haven't heard One Dove, but I'm real curious, esp. about the remixes. And Dot's CUTE!! :) She's about as small as a dot, too. I read the interview in Axcess, and they seem wacky. Like one of the guys is quiet, another moody, and Dot is "certified insane." I'd really like to dot her i's! :) ^ In lust, -DJKC

quoted 5 lines Haven't heard One Dove, but I'm real curious, esp. about the remixes.

>Haven't heard One Dove, but I'm real curious, esp. about the remixes. > >And Dot's CUTE!! :) She's about as small as a dot, too. >I read the interview in Axcess, and they seem wacky. Like one of the guys >is quiet, another moody, and Dot is "certified insane."

No matter how many may sneer at me for liking 'pop' dance music, I will stand behind One Dove all the way. I think they're fun to dance to as well as listen to and Dot _is_ quite cute. They are in fact quite pop as one person said, but he never went on to explain why this was a bad thing. Actually, I'd like to ask the whole list that question. I think it's pretty obvious that most ravers and techno fans subconsciously feel that 'pop' music is bad music, but why? I will admit to being one of these people in the sense that pop music has never done the same for me as techno, but why do some people turn that around and start thinking that pop music is _necessarily_ bad music? here's my schematic of the logical flaw many ravers fall victim to: dislike of music which is pop => pop music is bad music. sounds reasonable enough at first, right? problem is though, the original 'pop music' term is a variable, and as it changes, the first statement should always be reevaluated and the second should change accordingly, right? but many ravers experience the first statement, discover the second to be true, never listen to pop music again, and lose their ability to judge music on its merits instead of its labels. well, now that i took what should've been a short question and turned it into the college application essay from hell, what does everyone think? ___ (:)====/__/\=(:)(:)===========================(:)=====================(:) |\| _\_ \ \|\||=| Tai Nguyen |\| official sponsor of |=| |=| /__/\_\ \=||\| resident wise-ass |=| SoNiC ToNiC(tm) |\| |\| / /\ __/\|(:)===========================(:)=====================(:) |=|/ / /\ \ |=||=| "Nature has been made possible by a grant from |=| |\/__/ \_\/ |\||\| the Corporation for Public Broadcasting." |\| |=\__\/\ \ |=||=| - PBS |=| (:)==\__\/===(:)(:)===================================================(:)

Dislike of particular music which is pop does not imply that ALL pop music is bad, I agree Tai. When a raver looks down upon all pop music, without giving it a chance, or just having an unconditional dislike...a prejudice...for it all, then that is what I call being "elitist"...a bias for music that is listened to by a few. They think they're "cool" (or atleast different) since the music isn't part of the mainstream/masses. They think they're unique, but in fact, most of the time they're following a trend. Many people catch on, and it becomes a fad, and when this happens, many find another type of music and do the whole thing over again. For some, it's about fitting in with the "unique" "cool" crowd; but for others, there is a true love for the music, and it's perfectly fine to follow the trend in this way, but flailing at other musical styles, scenes, and the people who are in them is uncalled for! For example, watch/listen how many breakbeat DJs communicate about other music. Anyway... I was just told there's a William Orbit remix of a One Dove song...which? And I've been suggested to listen to mainly the One Dove remixes...so, their other songs aren't that great? Not IDM or anything? -DJKC

On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Tai Nguyen wrote:

quoted 6 lines I think it's pretty obvious that most ravers and techno fans subconsciously

> I think it's pretty obvious that most ravers and techno fans subconsciously > feel that 'pop' music is bad music, but why? I will admit to being one of > these people in the sense that pop music has never done the same for me as > techno, but why do some people turn that around and start thinking that pop > music is _necessarily_ bad music? >

Hmmm...Well, personally, I never liked pop music. Never have liked it, but I do recognise "good" pop when I hear it. Actually, scrap that. A lot of pop that's supposed to be good seems generic to me, and generic pop seems like absolute shite....Is it because I don't like it that it is bad? Well, that doesn't really matter much does it. I think the real issue here applies to _every_ kind of music that you (the individual) don't *like*. The same thing goes for industrial, heavy metal, "classic rock" etc. ( funny how no one ever picks on classical, jazz or blues...hmmm) My point is, it is just a natural defensive reaction to say that something you don't like is "bad" (I think shit works better here) , because nobody really wants to admit that they don't like something that is "good", no matter what genre or medium you're talking about. I'm sure you've all heard the story about the guy at the art show who says something like "I know what I like, and I don't like this," to which someone mutters "I don't know what I like, but I like what I know." Ahem, well, that's not exactly what I meant, but it kinda applies. People tend to not like to admit ignorance, you know what I'm sayin? Ah well, that's what I figure anyway. Despite all that, I still think that pop music is _generally_ shite. :) Crispin -----

i referred to One Dove as "crappy pop dance" and a lot of people said, "hey, i like pop music!" well, i do too! i listen to quite a lot of it, in fact. i wasn't saying that pop was crappy. I was saying that One Dove were crappy pop. Get the difference? Pop in general GOOD. One Dove in particular BAD. Except for Transient Truth. I don't know HOW that one slipped through, but it's quite fucking godlike. I have the 12" for it and treasure it dearly, in fact, but the album "morning dove white" made me want to barf. I was going to review it for IDM Times in fact but it was just too depressing so I abandoned the review halfway through. If you can find the album for $5 or less, get it so you can Transient Truth and consider it a CD single with a lot of extra stuff on it... :) Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

On Tue, 29 Mar 1994, Tai Nguyen wrote:

quoted 5 lines I think it's pretty obvious that most ravers and techno fans subconsciously

> I think it's pretty obvious that most ravers and techno fans subconsciously > feel that 'pop' music is bad music, but why? I will admit to being one of > these people in the sense that pop music has never done the same for me as > techno, but why do some people turn that around and start thinking that pop > music is _necessarily_ bad music?

I like pop. My definition of pop is song-oriented music that strives to reach an audience...consciously. it's probably broad enough to include charges of "sell-out"...i also like music that isn't pop. but it's only through pop that i got into techno and house at all...charlatans uk, depeche mode, new order...i give them props, and still listen to them. stu 8)