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2007-10-24 16:31rednetic [idm] who still buys CDs
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2007-10-24 16:31redneticHi Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are also starting
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Hi Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such as us and CDs will disappear all together. We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples thoughts. mark rednetic recordings http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-24 16:36theREALmxyzptlkI buy both. The Rednetic releases (lots of which I own) cost me a lot because I have to pa
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I buy both. The Rednetic releases (lots of which I own) cost me a lot because I have to pay import shipping...which is why I opt for downloads when I can. As someone who had bought a lot of CDs in the past (things have changed for me financially - just can't afford it), I can say that in this corner of the music market, CD releases have plummeted radically over the past year or so. jeff rednetic wrote:
quoted 14 lines Hi> Hi > Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are > also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while > that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such > as us and CDs will disappear all together. > > We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the > opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples > thoughts. > > mark > rednetic recordings > http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic
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2007-10-24 17:28Scott GentzenI haven't bought a huge amount of music this year, but with the exception of a 5-track EP,
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I haven't bought a huge amount of music this year, but with the exception of a 5-track EP, all of it has been on CD. And I might re-buy that EP when it comes out on CD too. I like having something physical to go along with a purchase. And if my hard drive crashes, it's easier to recover lost tracks with CDs. On Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 12:31PM, "rednetic" <mark@rednetic.com> wrote:
quoted 26 lines Hi> >Hi >Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are >also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while >that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such >as us and CDs will disappear all together. > >We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the >opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples >thoughts. > >mark >rednetic recordings >http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com >http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic >-- >View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 >Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >
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2007-10-24 17:48Concrete Cookie"the future will be limited vinyl " http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/toxics/go-pvc-
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"the future will be limited vinyl " http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/toxics/go-pvc-free but back on topic, i buy cds and vinyl and not mp3's...-----------------------------------------------------------MASHUP#1 : D.I.M. MASHUP#2: BLACK NOISE GENERATORMASHUP#3: KLäNG KLäNG 4.0HIV#18: A GREAT ESCAPE FROM LUNACYavailable @ http://www.thehardstore.com@ http://www.mashup.org [US]@ http://www.hiverecords.com [US]-----------------------------------------------------------
quoted 1 line Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:28:16 -0700> From: sgentzen@mac.com> To: mark@rednetic.com> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:28:16 -0700> From: sgentzen@mac.com> To: mark@rednetic.com> CC: idm@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [idm] who still buys CDs> > I haven't bought a huge amount of music this year, but with the exception of a 5-track EP, all of it has been on CD. And I might re-buy that EP when it comes out on CD too.> > I like having something physical to go along with a purchase. And if my hard drive crashes, it's easier to recover lost tracks with CDs.> > > On Wednesday, October 24, 2007, at 12:31PM, "rednetic" <mark@rednetic.com> wrote:> >> >Hi> >Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are> >also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while> >that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such> >as us and CDs will disappear all together. > >> >We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the> >opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples> >thoughts.> >> >mark> >rednetic recordings> >http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > >http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic > >-- > >View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412> >Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com.> >> >> >---------------------------------------------------------------------> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org>
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2007-10-24 17:41Alan LockettI'm not ready for a bodiless world yet. alan P.S. Though mp3s may score highly on function
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I'm not ready for a bodiless world yet. alan P.S. Though mp3s may score highly on functionality, physical media carriers, with the facility they offer for presentation of a completely integrated art-oriented package, have a greater aesthetic cache. Mp3s remind me of what my Mum used to say about Chinese food - they give you the feeling of eating, and there's a satisfying element of flavour, but they leave you feeling strangely empty afterwards. I guess I'm just an Old-fashioned Boy. --On 24 October 2007 09:31 -0700 rednetic <mark@rednetic.com> wrote:
quoted 25 lines Hi> > Hi > Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are > also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while > that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels > such as us and CDs will disappear all together. > > We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the > opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples > thoughts. > > mark > rednetic recordings > http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 Sent > from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2007-10-24 20:39Joseph StefaniUp until one year ago I was a CD buyer. Fully committed to CDs my stereo has two 400 CD ch
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Up until one year ago I was a CD buyer. Fully committed to CDs my stereo has two 400 CD changers...was regularly buying 10 per month at least. One year ago I purchased a Polk XM Satellite receiver for my stereo and have not purchased a CD since. Have plans now to transfer my CD collection to an external hard drive and sell the hard copies on ebay. Will then make a switch to mp3 although I am less than thrilled about the prospect because the technology is not familiar to me...but that is where I am headed. -Joe Joseph R. Stefani Headmaster Hilltop Country Day School 32 Lafayette Road Sparta, New Jersey 07871 973-729-5485 www.hilltopcds.org Hilltop Mission-- Hilltop Country Day School is committed to providing a family oriented, nurturing, creative, highly educational environment in which children: . Discover the excitement of learning; . Develop good study habits; . Grow in self-esteem and self-confidence; . Develop a sensitivity and respect for the rights and abilities of others; and . Learn to accept responsibility and meet personal challenges -----Original Message----- From: rednetic [mailto:mark@rednetic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] who still buys CDs Hi Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such as us and CDs will disappear all together. We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples thoughts. mark rednetic recordings http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-24 20:42Wallace WinfreyAt this point, I pretty much only buy limited-edition vinyl with some element of special p
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At this point, I pretty much only buy limited-edition vinyl with some element of special packaging to it, like 180-gram pressings, colored vinyl, picture discs and especially box sets. If a CD release also has some element of this kind of "specialness" to it, I'm inclined to pick that up too (case in point - the Rather Interesting "Classic" re-releases, which were signed and numbered). Digital music to me has very little worth, I mean, as a whole, I appreciate my digital music collection, but when you get down to the individual files in that collection, they're almost worthless. Like Alan Lockette said, physical media just has a much greater aesthetic cache. In Philip K. Dick's "The Man In the High Castle", one of the storylines is about how some of the characters create hand-made "Americana" objects which have an element called "Wu" (or "inner truth") about them. When the same objects are fabricated and produced on a mass scale, they lose their "Wu". A pair of Japanese collectors of authentic Americana are sensitive to objects with Wu and objects without, and develop special, intimate attachments to the authentic objects. To me, limited-edition physical media has much Wu, as opposed to digital files, which, with rare exception, have almost none. There was an article in the Village Voice this summer about Hospital Productions, a tiny East Village record store specializing in noise releases. There were a few quotes that seem notable: -- His customers—almost exclusively drawn to the hidden shop through friendly word-of-mouth—are searching for intimacy as well. "The more obscure, the rougher the packaging, the more handmade, the faster it sells," Fernow says. "The irony is that in getting away from trying to be mass-produced, you created an even more desirable consumer product. The CDs trickle. The vinyl? Pfft. Gone. I can barely keep that fucking thing full. The tapes? Gone. It's the personal touch, it's the feeling of the individual putting their mark on it." -- and -- The search, of course, is harder to find these days. "That's why things like MySpace and file-sharing turns me off, because it takes the sweat out of the underground," he says. "It just makes everything so fuckin' easy. There's no passion, no pursuit. You might as well be checking your fuckin' bank balance." -- It seems to me that, mp3s and the like are the ultimate negation of Wu - they're easy to obtain, easy to duplicate, easy to play back and easy to lug around. They require little to no care. Their convenience is what's best and worst about them. The convenience of the digital audio file has also contributed to an overabundance of shitty music by shitty labels sold at shitty online stores (rhymes with "Meatdork"). The only thing digital audio files are good for, IMO, is padding out an extensive home library and getting the word out about your music, which are very valuable attributes, but not worth money in and of themselves. If I were starting a label, I'd give the mp3s away for free (or by donation), encourage their distribution on the file-sharing networks (as complete packages, including .sfv files, .nfo files about the release encouraging people to buy the physical media if they like it, and high-res images) and put as much energy into creating physical media with as much "Wu" and "personal touch" into them as possible. Of course, that's just my opinion. I just think it's easier to sell someone something they can hold in their hand and put on their shelf. Their relationship to the music will grow more intimate if they have to seek it out and actually handle it in order to listen to it. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-24 21:34redneticthanks for all the responses so far very interesting. But it has got me thinking more. Is
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thanks for all the responses so far very interesting. But it has got me thinking more. Is it the digital format or the fact its not packaged. What about the netlabels that supply artwork or flash movies? Or on the other hand i guess vinly with no packaging such as white labels definetly has a desirability. Also the PKD referance is very apt. As i was very into his stuff years ago and did a lot of reseach into peoples love of artifacts, we are magpies, at the time i was wondering how it would change in the digital age - the way we obtain more artifacts the more unstable our reality is. 200 years ago most people could name all they owned how true is that now, how many people can name every single possession they own. Anyway back to the music, we have made limited editions and its odd in a way because if advertised as such and they are hand crafted, they go like hotcakes (now theres an idea for packaging) but we do a release thats a small run and just advertise it as a normal release the sales are normal. So much of the desirability is down to the idea of it being limited or the craft love and skill that has gone into the object. Once again thanks for comments, keep em coming and any ideas on the above are obviously very welcome :-) -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13395657 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 04:10---I buy as many cds as (and probably more than) I can afford. i'll buy vinyl if I have no ot
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I buy as many cds as (and probably more than) I can afford. i'll buy vinyl if I have no other choice, but i've yet to purchase any mp3s. I probably will eventually if it's my only option. like some of the others, I like having something tangible for my money. I find that when I download music from netlabels and the like, it ends up collecting digital dust in a folder I have tagged for exploring at a later date. I have 30-some releases archived in my downloads folder as I type this, and the thought of "having" to eventually listen to them all gives me a headache. yet the cds and cdrs I just got in the mail find their way right into my cd player...must be the pretty cover artwork. incidentally, i've purchased some rednetic releases through the n5md mailorder. they've done a pretty good job of bringing similar labels together and give me a one-stop place domestically(US) where I can pick up a bunch of stuff that would probably cost me twice as much chasing them down from their overseas label mailorders. tom -----Original Message----- From: rednetic [mailto:mark@rednetic.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] who still buys CDs Hi Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such as us and CDs will disappear all together. We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples thoughts. mark rednetic recordings http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 10:44n3wjackOMG a proper thread on the IDM list!! w00t!! :) And to actually answer the question, yes,
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OMG a proper thread on the IDM list!! w00t!! :) And to actually answer the question, yes, I still buy CDs if I can. I haven't bought any digital releases online yet, but I see myself getting some on bleep.com since it's becoming increasingly hard to find the same releases on plastic with my favourite alternative record stores going out of business one by one. As a few others in here I also have the habit of ripping any new CD I bought straight to an insane quality mp3 file. That because it really sucks if a CD ends up scratched in the long run, and the music becomes unplayable. Secondly because it's so much easier to port the mp3 format all over the place and listen to it at work, in the car (mp3 radio), at home on the PC or dump it on an mp3 player. Sweet. The claim that mp3 quality sucks is bogus imo. If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the difference with the original CD. If you've been buying mp3s at 128kbps you've been ripped off. 128kbps is for previews, like the latest Radiohead release up for download. Bleep.com does it at 320kbps for example. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station
2007-10-25 13:35chthonic streams> > If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the > difference > with the
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quoted 7 lines If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the> > If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the > difference > with the original CD. If you've been buying mp3s at 128kbps you've been > ripped off. 128kbps is for previews, like the latest Radiohead > release up > for download.
actually the radiohead mp3s are 160kbps. and i think they made that dedcision for a number of reasons. just guessing here... 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly. imagine the server charges from their ISP by multiplying 48MB by over a million downloads, and realize it would have ben even higher for bigger files. 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans do, and maybe wanted to show the difference/give something extra for those who end up buying both the mp3s because they can't wait and the hard copy at better quality. 3. since they decided on the "pay what you want" structure they knew a good portion would just pay next to nothing or nothing and then regardless the files would be uploaded elsewhere for more duplicating. in this case once again those people are getting something listenable but not true release-quality, so they may still want to get the CD later. as for not hearing the difference, i'd say that also depends on what the music is being played back on. with both coming straight out of a computer or ipod into earbuds or even decent headphones, an A/B of radiohead's "optimistic" (chosen for its midrange and low frequencies) was virtually the same between extracted AIFF and itunes-ripped 320kbps mp3 @ 44.1kHz. this is the only A/B test i've done - it may give different results with different frequency ranges. the problem may come when playing back at louder volumes on larger/better systems, or attempting to interface computer/portable players with loudspeakers - getting sound out of a 1/8" headphone jack is different than going through a proper audio output to a good external amp. i'm not sure how to get around that part. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 13:57Neil WalshOn 10/25/07, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > > > > If the bitrate
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On 10/25/07, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the> > > > If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the > > difference > > with the original CD. If you've been buying mp3s at 128kbps you've been > > ripped off. 128kbps is for previews, like the latest Radiohead > > release up > > for download. > > actually the radiohead mp3s are 160kbps. and i think they made that > dedcision for a number of reasons. just guessing here... > > 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly. > imagine the server charges from their ISP by multiplying 48MB by over a > million downloads, and realize it would have ben even higher for bigger > files.
This would be true if they used a standard ISP to distribute the files but they didn't. Bandwidth is becoming very very cheap these days.
quoted 4 lines 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans> 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans > do, and maybe wanted to show the difference/give something extra for > those who end up buying both the mp3s because they can't wait and the > hard copy at better quality.
What they did was very cleverly leaked their own album. Hail To The Thief was leaked in unfinished format, which they were very annoyed with. This time, there were no promo copies or unfinished mixes floating around (I would assume because they didn't have a record label to keep up to date?), so they were free to release it how and when they wanted to. It's still coming out on regular CD (January 2008 is slated as a possible release date) on probably a major label, so it wasn't that revolutionary what they did. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 14:08chthonic streams>> 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly. >> imagine the server
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quoted 9 lines 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly.>> 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly. >> imagine the server charges from their ISP by multiplying 48MB by over >> a >> million downloads, and realize it would have ben even higher for >> bigger >> files. > > This would be true if they used a standard ISP to distribute the files > but they didn't. Bandwidth is becoming very very cheap these days.
i'm not privy to exact numbers, especially not in england, or with whatever special deal they probably struck up. all i know is 2 years ago i discussed the ISP/bandwidth issue with the webmaster of one of their biggest fansites and he was getting hit hard. i'd imagine the official site would have similar issues.
quoted 12 lines 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans>> 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans >> do, and maybe wanted to show the difference/give something extra for >> those who end up buying both the mp3s because they can't wait and the >> hard copy at better quality. > > What they did was very cleverly leaked their own album. Hail To The > Thief was leaked in unfinished format, which they were very annoyed > with. > This time, there were no promo copies or unfinished mixes floating > around (I would assume because they didn't have a record label to keep > up to date?), so they were free to release it how and when they wanted > to.
right, good point. they figured it was going to happen anyway so they did it themselves and found a way to make money off it. they are in a unique situation however, or at least rare, in that they have a devoted fanbase waiting for their every move. the artists in that situation got into that position with the help of recording labels/marketing.
quoted 3 lines It's still coming out on regular CD (January 2008 is slated as a> It's still coming out on regular CD (January 2008 is slated as a > possible release date) on probably a major label, so it wasn't that > revolutionary what they did.
the word now is it may actually be licensed to a series of "indie" labels, the north american one being run by dave matthews' manager, and marketed by XL recordings worldwide. releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we are in a state of flux. personally i do not believe mp3's are the be-all-end-all of the format wars. regardless, you can't turn your back on those who still want a physical copy specifically dedicated to one artist release (as several respondents to this thread have demonstrated). d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 14:26Neil WalshOn 10/25/07, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > >> 1. keeping the fi
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On 10/25/07, chthonic streams <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:
quoted 15 lines 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly.> >> 1. keeping the file size down made the file transfer less costly. > >> imagine the server charges from their ISP by multiplying 48MB by over > >> a > >> million downloads, and realize it would have ben even higher for > >> bigger > >> files. > > > > This would be true if they used a standard ISP to distribute the files > > but they didn't. Bandwidth is becoming very very cheap these days. > > i'm not privy to exact numbers, especially not in england, or with > whatever special deal they probably struck up. all i know is 2 years > ago i discussed the ISP/bandwidth issue with the webmaster of one of > their biggest fansites and he was getting hit hard. i'd imagine the > official site would have similar issues.
Sorry I meant to tag a link onto the end of that bit... http://www.ateaseweb.com/2007/10/14/the-secret-behind-in-rainbows-speedy-download/ I can't comment on the costs, but I imagine they would be less than any hosting package from an ISP.
quoted 18 lines 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans> >> 2. *they* still prefer hard copy releases and know many of their fans > >> do, and maybe wanted to show the difference/give something extra for > >> those who end up buying both the mp3s because they can't wait and the > >> hard copy at better quality. > > > > What they did was very cleverly leaked their own album. Hail To The > > Thief was leaked in unfinished format, which they were very annoyed > > with. > > This time, there were no promo copies or unfinished mixes floating > > around (I would assume because they didn't have a record label to keep > > up to date?), so they were free to release it how and when they wanted > > to. > > right, good point. they figured it was going to happen anyway so they > did it themselves and found a way to make money off it. they are in a > unique situation however, or at least rare, in that they have a devoted > fanbase waiting for their every move. the artists in that situation > got into that position with the help of recording labels/marketing.
That's very true.
quoted 7 lines It's still coming out on regular CD (January 2008 is slated as a> > It's still coming out on regular CD (January 2008 is slated as a > > possible release date) on probably a major label, so it wasn't that > > revolutionary what they did. > > the word now is it may actually be licensed to a series of "indie" > labels, the north american one being run by dave matthews' manager, and > marketed by XL recordings worldwide.
Yeah I just read that now.
quoted 6 lines releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we> releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we > are in a state of flux. personally i do not believe mp3's are the > be-all-end-all of the format wars. regardless, you can't turn your > back on those who still want a physical copy specifically dedicated to > one artist release (as several respondents to this thread have > demonstrated).
Yep, it should be possible for all formats to happily co-exist. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-26 00:10chthonic streams>> releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we >> are in a stat
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quoted 8 lines releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we>> releasing it in multiple formats is their way of acknowledging that we >> are in a state of flux. personally i do not believe mp3's are the >> be-all-end-all of the format wars. regardless, you can't turn your >> back on those who still want a physical copy specifically dedicated to >> one artist release (as several respondents to this thread have >> demonstrated). > > Yep, it should be possible for all formats to happily co-exist.
it *should*, but sadly history has shown eventually some formats die out, and not always because they were inferior. i would argue less about mp3's if not for two main things: 1. i want CD's to remain an option, and not just a weird hard-to-find collector option, but the established official release. an artist's art should be able to literally stand on its own, not simply be a blip in a never-ending jukebox of whoever. i know this is the opposite of the techno standpoint, but i'm talking about music of many genres. 2. the bad apples *can* spoil the whole bunch, as declining CD sales and closing labels seem to show. plenty of people in the world think they deserve everything as cheap or free as they can get it. free hi-quality preview clips are one thing, free crappy downloads are another, but people happily DLing near-CD-quality files that artists spend tons of time, creativity, and $ on is fucked up. i've literally heard "i'm buying an ipod, i'll never have to pay for music again" out of someone's mouth. these are people would *would* have bought something if they had to. but now feel they don't. most don't even know where to get pirated mp3's, but they just know it's out there and "everyone's doing it". though i don't support the RIAA tracking down individuals and suing them, how do you gently tell such people what they're doing is harmful to everyone? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 15:21Rusty Hodge> i'm not privy to exact numbers, especially not in england, or with > whatever special de
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quoted 5 lines i'm not privy to exact numbers, especially not in england, or with> i'm not privy to exact numbers, especially not in england, or with > whatever special deal they probably struck up. all i know is 2 > years ago i discussed the ISP/bandwidth issue with the webmaster of > one of their biggest fansites and he was getting hit hard. i'd > imagine the official site would have similar issues.
If they sold 1.2 million copies in a week, that's an average of 2 per second. At 160 Kbps MP3 assuming arox 50 minutes album duration that's 480 Megabits per album or an average download rate of 0.95 Gbits per second. In the US, you can get a 1gb/sec connection for $10-12,000 US a month. If your ISP is charging you mer megabyte or gigabyte transferred, and not mbit/sec (or gbit/sec), you are paying WAY TOO MUCH for bandwidth if you're transferring over 20 gigabytes a month. It's easy to assume that RH's distribution system was costing them $15-20,000 a month (including renting a few servers and the bandwidth cost). Bandwidth is cheap, if you buy it in the right places, but it's sure not free. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 17:08Wallace WinfreyRusty Hodge wrote: > If your ISP is charging you mer megabyte or gigabyte transferred, and
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quoted 3 lines If your ISP is charging you mer megabyte or gigabyte transferred, and> If your ISP is charging you mer megabyte or gigabyte transferred, and > not mbit/sec (or gbit/sec), you are paying WAY TOO MUCH for bandwidth if > you're transferring over 20 gigabytes a month.
Unless you're using Amazon S3 for file distribution, which anyone for whom download bandwidth is a major issue should be looking into. I switched my employer's downloads from our site to S3 and we immediately started saving $5,000/month in bandwidth fees. It's kinda janky in some ways, but man, it's fucking cheap. And the download rates don't suck either. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 16:01redneticI think the best way of looking at it is that its the idea of the digital format, not mp3.
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I think the best way of looking at it is that its the idea of the digital format, not mp3. Certainly there'll be more. I expect to be releasing at some point as 48khz and above. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13409303 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 14:08Brian.Power@cso.ieDunno that this will find favour with too many folk here but here goes it anyway... At the
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Dunno that this will find favour with too many folk here but here goes it anyway... At the end of the day I would love to be able to afford to have the hard copy artifact, and perhaps there is a way for record companies to allow for this to happen, but it will take a major reseller (Amazon, iTunes or eMusic for example) to start selling digital downloads not as a finished artifact, but rather as something closer to paid for previews - if you like what you hear you're free to pay peanuts for a low bitrate copy (you could even put some form of crippleware/DRM in there that'll time out after so many plays or days - wasn't/isn't Napster doing something like that ?) BUT if you "love" what you hear and want to access a better quality reproduction (i.e. CD, WAV or FLAC) you only have to swop back your low bitrate MP3 and pay the difference between the original low bitrate mp3 and the price of the higher quality non crippled reproduction. Also a greater incentive then for musicians and producers to create well written, engineered and mastered music - the better the products qualities, the higher the rewards. Not gonna turn the music industry on it's head/bring it to it's knees exactly, but should help create a more favourable market in which customers get to hear exactly (and only) what they really want to hear at a quality they feel appropriate to their budget/taste. |---------+----------------------------> | | n3wjack | | | <n3wjack@n3wjack.| | | net> | | | Sent by: | | | n3wjack@gmail.com| | | | | | | | | 25/10/2007 11:44 | |---------+----------------------------> >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: idm@hyperreal.org | | cc: | | Subject: Re: [idm] who still buys CDs | >------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| OMG a proper thread on the IDM list!! w00t!! :) And to actually answer the question, yes, I still buy CDs if I can. I haven't bought any digital releases online yet, but I see myself getting some on bleep.com since it's becoming increasingly hard to find the same releases on plastic with my favourite alternative record stores going out of business one by one. As a few others in here I also have the habit of ripping any new CD I bought straight to an insane quality mp3 file. That because it really sucks if a CD ends up scratched in the long run, and the music becomes unplayable. Secondly because it's so much easier to port the mp3 format all over the place and listen to it at work, in the car (mp3 radio), at home on the PC or dump it on an mp3 player. Sweet. The claim that mp3 quality sucks is bogus imo. If the bitrate is at the maximum (320kbps), you won't hear the difference with the original CD. If you've been buying mp3s at 128kbps you've been ripped off. 128kbps is for previews, like the latest Radiohead release up for download. Bleep.com does it at 320kbps for example. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.net http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station
2007-10-25 15:23Esa Ruohoanzone have an url for that radiohead news item thing?
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anzone have an url for that radiohead news item thing?
2007-10-25 15:39Shimone @ StaticBeatsRadiohead May Have Made $6-$10 Million on Name-Your Cost Album http://slashdot.org/article
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Radiohead May Have Made $6-$10 Million on Name-Your Cost Album http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/19/211245 Name-Your-Cost Radiohead Album Pirated More Than Purchased http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/17/2032246 Radiohead Says Name Your Own Price for New Album http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/01/164234 Shimone @ StaticBeats On 10/25/07, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com> wrote:
quoted 2 lines anzone have an url for that radiohead news item thing?> anzone have an url for that radiohead news item thing? >
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2007-10-25 19:19Kurt PruennerShimone @ StaticBeats wrote: > On 10/25/07, Esa Ruoho wrote: > > anzone have an url for th
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quoted 11 lines On 10/25/07, Esa Ruoho wrote:> On 10/25/07, Esa Ruoho wrote: > > anzone have an url for that radiohead news item thing? > > Radiohead May Have Made $6-$10 Million on Name-Your Cost Album > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/19/211245 > > Name-Your-Cost Radiohead Album Pirated More Than Purchased > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/17/2032246 > > Radiohead Says Name Your Own Price for New Album > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/01/164234
By the way, there's another similar thing on the horizon: http://niggytardust.com/ Buy the new album "The Inevitable Rise And Liberation Of Niggytardust" by Saul Williams & Trent Reznor for 5 USD and download it as 192kbps or 320kbps MP3s or as FLACs. Or get it for free as 192kbps MP3s. Release date is November 1st. I just bought the FLACs and am looking forward to them - but if they had made the price user-chooseable I probably would have given a bit more... :) Oh yeah, FSOL - From The Archives Vol. 4 isn't being released on CD, but on Bleep.com and FSOLDigital.com only. And just for the record, other than stuff that's not available on CD (like vinyl-only or MP3-only releases) I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them myself, although FLAC doesn't hurt either... -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Future Sound Of London - Night Lapsed (From The Archives Vol. 2) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 15:50redneticIsn’t it the inherent compression in the mp3 format that makes the quality below .wav not
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Isn’t it the inherent compression in the mp3 format that makes the quality below .wav not the bitrate as such. part of the reason behind setting up our own digital download service for the label is to have control over our choice of formats - the ability to experiment. Mp3s are very handy but i do notice the differance, maybe not in clubs but on headphones definetly. It does seem that the majority of people here do pretty much what i do which is buy CDs, rip them, download mp3s, and buy vinyl. Pick and chose, mix and match depending on availability and a variey of criteria. Personally i like the idea of mp3s as a label owner as it saves less time at the post office sending of parcels, but i do like receiving parcels especially with music in them. So will the big labels give up the fight, if not how will they change? I cant see them forcing their wil power on the public like the did with CDs, its already way too late. It way easier for small labels to survice as a bad chosie in format isnt going to waste us millions. Maybe large labels will evolve into search engines and performance/gig managers. People want to make music and people want to listen, everything else inbetween is in very big flux. Our 2015 release will be available in the pen injectable format, please consult your doctor, also available as a cheese spread, taste that music. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13409225 Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2007-10-25 11:44ruinaeNot me. 95% of my collection is either high bit-rate mp3 or lossless. I usually don't care
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Not me. 95% of my collection is either high bit-rate mp3 or lossless. I usually don't care about packaging, it's the audio I'm after. The other 5% is maybe 2-3 compact disks /month; to be ripped to lossless. And yes, I'm a major bleep / boomkat / e-music customer... I have a mirror image of my collection on a spare HDD if my main HDD fails, (which I make regular backups on) -- as a contingency plan. There's no problem here with not having a physical recording on my shelf. All content on any CD (hell, even vinyl) is data anyway. People are alienated just due to the fact they need something to collect. What good is a virtual bottle cap collection? I dunno, but do bottle caps store data? And as n3wjack briefly mentioned, look at Radiohead's new (probable) million(s) or so they got out of self-releasing digitally. Basic supply & demand here folks. If huge music corporations can't keep up with the demand for DRM-less, & lossless digital purchases -- I guess they deserve a loss in profits. Just another way to cut out the exploitive middle men known as the recording industry. Digital is the future of music; good for me -- good for the artists / labels (if they're smart enough)... Also, Portable MP3 > Portable CD. Search Slashdot for the headline: Radiohead May Have Made $6-$10 Million on Name-Your Cost Album On 10/24/07, rednetic <mark@rednetic.com> wrote:
quoted 25 lines Hi> > Hi > Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are > also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while > that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such > as us and CDs will disappear all together. > > We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the > opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples > thoughts. > > mark > rednetic recordings > http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 > Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2007-10-25 19:05ruinaeLAME encoded Mp3 audio sounds completely transparent @ ~320 kbps -- Especially if there's
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LAME encoded Mp3 audio sounds completely transparent @ ~320 kbps -- Especially if there's no filtering during the process. Grab your favorite .wav, plug the following into lame, and compress said .wav: -b 320 -m j -h -q 9 -k I challenge you to tell me there's any /audible/ difference. On 10/24/07, rednetic <mark@rednetic.com> wrote:
quoted 25 lines Hi> > Hi > Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are > also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while > that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such > as us and CDs will disappear all together. > > We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the > opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples > thoughts. > > mark > rednetic recordings > http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 > Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2007-10-26 11:10David BoardI can definitely tell the difference between mp3 (whatever bitrate) and 16-bit 41kHz CD Au
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I can definitely tell the difference between mp3 (whatever bitrate) and 16-bit 41kHz CD Audio. You lost a lot of the depth to the sub-bass frequencies and there is a brittle 'fizziness' to the frequencies in the 17.2kHz - 20kHz range. I give you that for the average listener who has a cheap £200 hi-fi system from dixons or something will probably notice no difference, and the standard headphones that come with the iPod are terrible so music sounds crap whatever format they are in. In fact, I am not a particular fan of digital audio is any form... CDs sound pretty good nowadays but you just can't beat the sound of vinyl. I know it's a cliche, but apart from the warmth, lushness and depth of vinyl, there is also the lovely big album artwork, the sensation and ritual of setting up the turntable and flipping the records over. For me, music is not 'background ambience'... it is something I will sit down and listen to for a few hours a day. Having a computer whirring away in the background is not very nice.... and the act of clicking a mouse is rather unsatisfying. In fact, most computer soundcards have very noisy outputs which only makes the sound worse. When you've spent lots of money on a soundsystem, you don't want to jepordise the quality with a crappy audio source. Dave
quoted 45 lines Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:05:35 -0400> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:05:35 -0400 > From: ruinae@gmail.com > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] who still buys CDs > > LAME encoded Mp3 audio sounds completely transparent @ ~320 kbps -- > Especially if there's no filtering during the process. > > Grab your favorite .wav, plug the following into lame, and compress said .wav: > > -b 320 -m j -h -q 9 -k > > I challenge you to tell me there's any /audible/ difference. > > On 10/24/07, rednetic <mark@rednetic.com> wrote: > > > > Hi > > Who still buys CDs? We are a small label that still sell CDs, but we are > > also starting up paid for mp3 downloads. I have been thinking for a while > > that the future will be limited vinyl and digital downloads for labels such > > as us and CDs will disappear all together. > > > > We currently give away free mp3s as a netlabel, as i have always had the > > opinion that the quality isnt as good. I would be interested in peoples > > thoughts. > > > > mark > > rednetic recordings > > http://www.rednetic.com www.rednetic.com > > http://www.myspace.com/rednetic www.myspace.com/rednetic > > -- > > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/who-still-buys-CDs-tf4684544.html#a13386412 > > Sent from the IDM mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Wallace Winfrey <wally@booyaka.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:08:55 -0600
quoted 11 lines Rusty Hodge wrote:>Rusty Hodge wrote: > >> If your ISP is charging you mer megabyte or gigabyte transferred, and >> not mbit/sec (or gbit/sec), you are paying WAY TOO MUCH for bandwidth if >> you're transferring over 20 gigabytes a month. > >Unless you're using Amazon S3 for file distribution, which anyone for >whom download bandwidth is a major issue should be looking into. > >I switched my employer's downloads from our site to S3 and we >immediately started saving $5,000/month in bandwidth fees.
i didn't notice if this went to the list, but someone else posted this fansite article: http://www.ateaseweb.com/2007/10/14/the-secret-behind-in-rainbows- speedy-download/ it mentioned the company they used is called packetexchange. haven't seen an actual price sheet (they may or may not be in the downloadable PDFs), but here's the services they offer: http://www.packetexchange.net/content/products.htm ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at chthonicstreams.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org