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2004-06-22 11:54Tosh Cooey [idm] bigger and bigger...
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2004-06-22 11:54Tosh CooeyHere's an email I came across that I 99.999% agree with, my comments in [] -----Original M
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Here's an email I came across that I 99.999% agree with, my comments in [] -----Original Message----- From: Lefsetz@aol.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:43:24 To:undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Sony-BMG If what happens to the record business is the same thing that happened to the radio business, we're F*CKED! Reports out of Brussels today say that European antitrust regulators are going to approve the merger of Sony Music and BMG. Andy Lack and Michael Smellie [CEOs of Sony and BMG] have convinced Mario Monti [head of the European antitrust commission] and his troops that they need this merger to SURVIVE! Because of changed business conditions. What a crock of shit. Make no mistake. The MAJOR LABELS are responsible for these market conditions. P2P piracy is a smokescreen. The reason these companies are in trouble is because of runaway marketing expenses and a lack of avenues to expose their product. The merger? That's not going to speak to runaway marketing costs. That's just going to speak to OVERHEAD! Accounting. It's got NOTHING to do with the music business per se. Hell, one could save money by having one company do ALL the back room accounting in America. As for solving the labels' problems... They're just gonna work less product. THIS is good for the public? Make no mistake, the major labels would like to turn the music business into the MOVIE business. Where there are only a FEW HUNDRED records released a year. Choose from THAT buddy. What are the odds something new and different is gonna break from THAT? You see the majors have rigged the established system. Allowing nobody else in. If you're an indie you can't get on MTV. If you're an indie you can't get on radio. In other words, if you're an indie, you can't be HEARD! And the first step to selling records is the ability to HEAR them! THAT'S where the Internet comes in. It levels the playing field. Suddenly indie product can be HEARD! P2P is a BOON for indie product. Which is why the major labels are fighting it so hard. Internet RADIO is a boon for indies, which is why the record labels are for prohibitive license fees. Do you see the game here? If the majors were REALLY interested in saving their businesses they'd OPEN UP THE AVENUES OF EXPOSURE! They wouldn't lobby to MERGE, they'd lobby to break up radio conglomerates. Repeal the law allowing groups to own so many stations in so many markets. They'd ban all forms of indie promotion and payola. Which is just another way of keeping those who can't pay out of the game. I mean the Montreal Expos can't compete with Steinbrenner's Yankees and they're IN the major league!!! The subterfuge is AMAZING! And Mario Monti and his peeps are too ignorant to see through it, not knowing how business is TRULY done in the music world. But they were on to something when they talked about tacit collusion re pricing. Let's see what happens with Apple Computer NOW! Apple BROKE THE LAW! Oh, not the codified law, the law of a country, but the law of the MUSIC BUSINESS! You don't testify against your supplier, against the MAN! The major labels have gone on record that music is undervalued. They're fighting to RAISE prices online. Now, with a greater concentration of power, they will. Hell, it sounds like looney-tunes, but it's true. And doesn't the merger give Sony Connect [the new digital distribution service from Sony] a leg up? Certainly as it concerns exclusives. This whole country is fucked up. There's such a concentration of power in the entertainment world that what's churned out is lowest common denominator crap made to appeal to the broadest demographic. EVERYBODY agrees that the seventies were the last great era of film. Back when the AUTEURS were in power. Before the business stole back control. And same deal in the MUSIC business. The acts of the seventies made their records without supervision, delivering finished product. You can't get away with that today. Even ANDY LACK has got an opinion on the music. THINK about that. That would be like a guy getting elected President who'd never been outside the U.S. deciding to attack a foreign country!! No true artist respects the suit. For these aren't suits like Ahmet,[?] people who understand and know the music, these are accountants and lawyers and corporate henchmen just looking for annual, no QUARTERLY, increases in profits. This is f*cked up. Allow these companies to merge. Allow Lack and Smellie to break out the champagne. But DON'T allow these blowhards to suppress the truth with their chicanery. Music has never been worse off than today. Because the powers in control of manufacturing, distribution and control are so few. Yes, the bigger the company, the more there is at risk, the more they play safe. And the more they use their muscle to MAINTAIN control. Thank god it's so easy to MAKE music. Support alternative distribution and alternative exhibition. Or else we're DOOMED! Only the indies can save us. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-06-22 12:49iteration zero> From: Lefsetz@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:43:24 > To:undisclosed-recipients:; >
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quoted 8 lines From: Lefsetz@aol.com> From: Lefsetz@aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:43:24 > To:undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: Sony-BMG > > They'd ban all forms of indie promotion and payola. Which is just another way > of keeping those who can't pay out of the game. I mean the Montreal Expos can't > compete with Steinbrenner's Yankees and they're IN the major league!!!
What a crap analogy. All one has to do is look at a different professional sport in the same ciy to see that this isn't necessarily the case. While the NY Yankees may do very well by throwing money around, the NY Rangers can't even make the NHL playoffs with a payroll of over $80 million. I don't claim to be an expert on the "industry" or have my fingers on the pulse of the music world, but from the time I started listening to IDM in 1997 until now, I'm seeing more releases on more labels than before. Growth isn't necessarily a positive sign, though. As the author of the rant points out, it is relatively easy to make music now. Notice the author didn't say it's easy to make good music. The signal to noise ratio is getting smaller, and without having a good bit of disposable income to throw around, it's getting harder and harder to filter out the noise. Just my two cents as a music fan. i0 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2004-06-22 12:14seeklektek----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosh Cooey" > Here's an email I came across that I 99.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tosh Cooey"
quoted 2 lines Here's an email I came across that I 99.999% agree with, my comments in []> Here's an email I came across that I 99.999% agree with, my comments in [] > No true artist respects the suit. For these aren't suits like Ahmet,[?] people
Ahmet Ertegun/Atlantic Records: http://www.history-of-rock.com/atlantic_records.htm "Atlantic Records was founded in September1947 in New York City and they incorporated in October 1947." " Ertegun serves as chairman of Atlantic Records to this day." seek --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org