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---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:42:49 -0500

quoted 1 line Funny that you say that. I think that instrumental music turns a lot

>Funny that you say that. I think that instrumental music turns a lot

of people off. If adding lyrics opens IDM up to a wider audience, I think that's great. For myself, I've found that I really like a lot of recent IDM with vocals, cut-up or no. Super_Collider and Ellen Allien come to mind as some good examples. apparat's 'duplex' has some good vocals. styrofoam's latest CD is great because of the vocals and electronics mix. and of course, don't forget the magic of dntel and his guest vocalists. can't say i like the postal service, though.

quoted 1 line But to outright dismiss "soul vocals", which have a pretty rich

>But to outright dismiss "soul vocals", which have a pretty rich

heritage outside of American Idol, is pretty close-sighted and elitist.

quoted 1 line What do you mean about rap? Soul vocals will kill rap or rap

>What do you mean about rap? Soul vocals will kill rap or rap

vocals will kill IDM? You wanna qualify that one too? i think it's really a question of taste. i think "soul vocals" are fine, but i wince every time i hear a moby-esque "soul" sample on an electro track. it's not the oil-and-water combination; in fact, i love the first yaz album (and don't tell me alf moyet hasn't got soul). but i don't hear the combination being done well. same goes for soul/r&b in rap. it's just used as sweetener to pull in some extra people who wouldn't have listened otherwise. hip-hop exploded into a new audience by adding r&b choruses and hooks, but it feels like a marketing move. which, to me, is the very antithesis of "soul". d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I like both The Postal Service and Dntel. Instrumental music turns people off only because they don't hear enough of it. I think it has a bad rap (no pun intended) in the mainstream because it's boxed in with Soundtracks, Classical and Instrumental jazz and is considered too academic. Anne :) chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Aaron D Meyers Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 18:42:49 -0500

quoted 1 line Funny that you say that. I think that instrumental music turns a lot

>Funny that you say that. I think that instrumental music turns a lot

of people off. If adding lyrics opens IDM up to a wider audience, I think that's great. For myself, I've found that I really like a lot of recent IDM with vocals, cut-up or no. Super_Collider and Ellen Allien come to mind as some good examples. apparat's 'duplex' has some good vocals. styrofoam's latest CD is great because of the vocals and electronics mix. and of course, don't forget the magic of dntel and his guest vocalists. can't say i like the postal service, though.

quoted 1 line But to outright dismiss "soul vocals", which have a pretty rich

>But to outright dismiss "soul vocals", which have a pretty rich

heritage outside of American Idol, is pretty close-sighted and elitist.

quoted 1 line What do you mean about rap? Soul vocals will kill rap or rap

>What do you mean about rap? Soul vocals will kill rap or rap

vocals will kill IDM? You wanna qualify that one too? i think it's really a question of taste. i think "soul vocals" are fine, but i wince every time i hear a moby-esque "soul" sample on an electro track. it's not the oil-and-water combination; in fact, i love the first yaz album (and don't tell me alf moyet hasn't got soul). but i don't hear the combination being done well. same goes for soul/r&b in rap. it's just used as sweetener to pull in some extra people who wouldn't have listened otherwise. hip-hop exploded into a new audience by adding r&b choruses and hooks, but it feels like a marketing move. which, to me, is the very antithesis of "soul". d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

At 07:32 PM 20/11/03, emmett wrote:

quoted 6 lines just wondering what people think of the junior boys.

>just wondering what people think of the junior boys. > >to be honest, I know very little about them. was enticed to pick up the >"birthday / last exit" 12" (on the kin label) for the fennesz remix (which >alone makes the 12" worth much more than it's weight in wax), but the other >3 tracks are pretty damn nice, as well.

YES! It's a great record indeed, with such a unique mixture of sounds - bits of IDM, garage/two-step and glitch-tech with vocals in the style of David Sylvian/John Foxx and other soulful synthpop artists. And I'm proud to say that they're Toronto boys (well, from Hamilton originally, but based in Toronto now). I had them down on my radio show a few weeks ago, and we had a great chat about their influences and thoughts on various forms of music, electronic or otherwise. I don't think the record has a lot of distribution yet, but there should be some info at the Kin Records website - www.electrokin.com Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org