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I don't quite see how Soulseek could be sued, well-considering their servers exist outside of the United States. Users are a different story, but that's not why Soulseek is down. Check out their German message forums - My soulseek is working fine. ; ) - pirate dan -----Original Message----- From: Sean Horton [mailto:sean_horton@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 5:51 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] File swappers sued!!!!! End of the beginning? Perhaps this is why slsk is down? Check it: http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-5072564.html?tag=fd_top ^(|_|)^ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 8 Sep 2003, daniel wrote:

quoted 4 lines I don't quite see how Soulseek could be sued, well-considering their

> I don't quite see how Soulseek could be sued, well-considering their > servers exist outside of the United States. Users are a different > story, but that's not why Soulseek is down. Check out their German > message forums - My soulseek is working fine. ; )

it probably has something to do with the bulk of the music available there not being licensed through the RIAA, too. w --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

they are just pissed off cause no one will buy their crappy pre packaged non fat good for you pop because all they want is that one hit song. why not DL the one song if all the rest is filler and for $17.99 at that... hey here's and idea put effort into all your songs and don't over charge or have inflated budgets because the artist wants their toilets to flush with mountain spring water from across the world. ;0) anyways the hardcore swappers have these things called external hard drives... OMG?!?!?! we gonna sue the crap outa maxtor and western digital next? but that's just my opinion vaclav music for the sake of expression http://www.negative3.com http://www.nentech.com ----Original Message Follows---- End of the beginning? Perhaps this is why slsk is down? Check it: http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-5072564.html?tag=fd_top ^(|_|)^ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org _________________________________________________________________ Get 10MB of e-mail storage! Sign up for Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Vaclav Vanek" <vaclav_vanek@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:08:09 -0700

quoted 1 line they are just pissed off cause no one will buy their crappy pre

>they are just pissed off cause no one will buy their crappy pre

packaged

quoted 1 line non fat good for you pop because all they want is that one hit

>non fat good for you pop because all they want is that one hit

song. why not

quoted 2 lines DL the one song if all the rest is filler and for $17.99 at that... hey

>DL the one song if all the rest is filler and for $17.99 at that... hey >here's and idea put effort into all your songs and don't over

charge --------------------------------------------------------------------- i have to agree here. there's actually some kind of lawsuit and settlement about the artificially overpriced nature of major label CD's. people can make a claim and get back some piddling refund if you've bought a major label CD from a retail store in the past several years (don't recall all the details, i know it's online somewhere). to me this is useless. if there was an industry-wide price drop on CD's (to something more like $10-12 per CD) and less money spent on marketing empty, image-driven music seemingly made by spoiled rich stars, people might be more inclined to spend their hard-earned money on legitimate releases. give the people a reason to care about the music. in support of this, i've actually heard that indie label sales have been increasing while the majors have been flat or declining (just hearsay, sorry - wish i had something to back it up). then again it's a different audience with a different mindset. i overheard an older coworker excalim "i'm getting an ipod this weekend...i'm never going to buy CDs again!" but i doubt he'll be trying to download the latest autechre tracks. i know this is probably preaching to the choir, but...there it is. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actually and FYI - UMG is lowering their CD prices to $12.98 http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/djh/200309031515DOWJONESDJONLINE001239.htm NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Vivendi Universal's (V) Universal Music Group plans to sharply lower the consumer cost for compact discs, in an effort to bring customers back into retail stores and boost music sales. In a press release (last) Wednesday, Universal Music said it will reduce wholesale prices and implement a $12.98 manufacturer suggested retail price on virtually all of its top-line CDs in the U.S. The plan will eliminate MSRPs of as much as $18.98, and the company believes retailers will start offering the cheaper CDs as soon as Oct. 1. Shimone/Justes http://www.staticbeats.com > Electronic Music > Digital Culture http://www.boomboombap.com > First Come > First Heard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 05:11 PM 9/8/2003 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 10 lines Actually and FYI - UMG is lowering their CD prices to $12.98

>Actually and FYI - UMG is lowering their CD prices to $12.98 >http://money.cnn.com/services/tickerheadlines/djh/200309031515DOWJONESDJONLINE001239.htm > > NEW YORK -(Dow Jones)- Vivendi Universal's (V) Universal Music Group plans >to sharply lower the consumer cost for compact discs, in an effort to bring >customers back into retail stores and boost music sales. > >In a press release (last) Wednesday, Universal Music said it will reduce >wholesale prices and implement a $12.98 manufacturer suggested retail price >on virtually all of its top-line CDs in the U.S.

Oh, the good old days in the early 90's, where Best Buy ran those ads, stating: All CDs under $12! Hundreds more under $10! and that weird psychedelic spinal tap thing. derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ----- it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Forgive the uselessness of this post, but was Best Buy really around in the early 90's? The first time I heard of them was in 97-98.

quoted 8 lines Oh, the good old days in the early 90's, where Best

> Oh, the good old days in the early 90's, where Best > Buy ran those ads, stating: > > All CDs under $12! Hundreds more under $10! > > and that weird psychedelic spinal tap thing. > > derek

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It's funny that Universal gets to come off as the great price reducers when it seems like this move doesn't mean shit to their bottom line. If you read between the lines of the press release they're lowering their prices, but also reducing their spending in retail programs. So on average most labels spend $2-$3 per CD for in-store positioning. If they're not spending that anymore, they're basically forcing the stores to eat the amount of the discount and they're in effect taking credit for reducing prices. So thank your local retailer for the price drops, not Universal. And if the policy of co-ops gets re-addressed across the board, then maybe a lowering of prices across the industry can happen. But please don't look at it as a situation of "how come Universal can lower their prices and no-one else can". And the good news is...we just re-issued 11 Ninja records in the US/Canada at $12.98 & 13.98 prices (13.98 for the 2CD sets). These are titles that weren't available in the US for awhile (some have never been available) due to a previous licensing deal. We're actually absorbing the discount ourselves... Jeff

quoted 29 lines From: Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com>

> From: Brandon Smith <gozravp@yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 08:00:16 -0700 (PDT) > To: EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com>, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Re: File swappers sued!!!!! > > > Forgive the uselessness of this post, but was Best Buy > really around in the early 90's? The first time I > heard of them was in 97-98. > >> Oh, the good old days in the early 90's, where Best >> Buy ran those ads, stating: >> >> All CDs under $12! Hundreds more under $10! >> >> and that weird psychedelic spinal tap thing. >> >> derek > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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Jeff/Ninja Tune wrote:

quoted 6 lines And the good news is...we just re-issued 11 Ninja records in the US/Canada

>And the good news is...we just re-issued 11 Ninja records in the US/Canada >at $12.98 & 13.98 prices (13.98 for the 2CD sets). These are titles that >weren't available in the US for awhile (some have never been available) due >to a previous licensing deal. We're actually absorbing the discount >ourselves... >

Man, I dig Ninja Tune so much. You guys usually do exactly what I would want done, and because of that I own most of your catalogue! BIG UPS 2 DA NINJATUNE MASSIVE! --Jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Guybrush Threepwood <jo009j@mail.rochester.edu> < Man, I dig Ninja Tune so much. You guys usually do exactly what I would want done, and because of that I own most of your catalogue! BIG UPS 2 DA NINJATUNE MASSIVE! > I think all the people at Ninja Tune are music lovers and collectors so they understand our needs. I think it's obvious the major labels don't care about the customer or the quality of their product. Regarding the major labels their talent isn't from their artists it's in their marketing. It's all part of the dumbing down of America. Major props to the Ninjas! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Yeah, they were around. not nearly as big as they are now, granted, but they started out in the mid/late 80's. Like many consumer electronic stores, they didn't really explode until the computer thing hit in the mid-late 90's. But that may also have been that I was living in Minnesota in '94, where they started out and had been for years. They just opened up a huge new HQ there -- I hear it's gigantic and gaudy as hell, from an architectural standpoint derek

quoted 23 lines Forgive the uselessness of this post, but was Best Buy

> > Forgive the uselessness of this post, but was Best Buy > really around in the early 90's? The first time I > heard of them was in 97-98. > >> Oh, the good old days in the early 90's, where Best >> Buy ran those ads, stating: >> >> All CDs under $12! Hundreds more under $10! >> >> and that weird psychedelic spinal tap thing. >> >> derek > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To > unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Just FYI, slsk is down because there were some DNS issues with their domain name. If you go to the slsk message boards there is a fix. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Horton" <sean_horton@hotmail.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: [idm] File swappers sued!!!!!

quoted 18 lines End of the beginning? Perhaps this is why slsk is down?

> End of the beginning? Perhaps this is why slsk is down? > > > Check it: > http://news.com.com/2100-1023_3-5072564.html?tag=fd_top > > > > ^(|_|)^ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. > http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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