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2003-04-22 02:48Jesse Farmer [idm] distributors
├─ 2003-04-22 12:30EggyToast Re: [idm] distributors
└─ 2003-04-24 16:50David Dow [idm] Copywrite
├─ 2003-04-24 16:57pixilated RE: [idm] Copywrite
│ └─ 2003-04-24 17:00David Dow RE: [idm] Copywrite
├─ 2003-04-24 17:06EggyToast Re: [idm] Copywrite
│ └─ 2003-04-24 17:13David Dow Re: [idm] Copyright/MP3 OGG
│ └─ 2003-04-24 18:05EggyToast Re: [idm] Copyright/MP3 OGG
│ └─ 2003-04-24 18:19David Dow Re: [idm] Copyright/MP3 OGG
└─ 2003-04-24 17:18dave_dunstan Re: [idm] Copywrite
├─ 2003-04-24 17:15Tom Butcher Re: [idm] Copywrite
├─ 2003-04-24 17:32atomly Re: [idm] Copywrite
│ └─ 2003-04-24 17:23David Dow Re: [idm] Copywrite
└─ 2003-04-24 17:57EggyToast Re: [idm] Copywrite
└─ 2003-04-24 20:12nethed Re: [idm] Copywrite & Start up music business advice
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2003-04-22 02:48Jesse FarmerLike everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a minuscule label. I was wondering if any
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Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a minuscule label. I was wondering if any of the more business-savvy list members might have any advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones are good to contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, Majestic). I've looked at the Dance Music Business Resource regarding distribution, but it doesn't say too much about how to approach distributors, or what they are looking for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases should a label expect to have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even worth approaching a distributor; should small labels look to sell direct? I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you who've done this. Thanks! -Jesse --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-22 12:30EggyToastJesse Farmer said: > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you who've done > this.
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quoted 2 lines I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you who've done> I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you who've done > this. Thanks! -Jesse
Don't forget to look into the tax code in your state for small businesses. Nothing worse than having a record label start up and do well only to be smacked down by the IRS. :D derek -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-24 16:50David DowHello All, I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to circulate and I need to get the
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Hello All, I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to circulate and I need to get them copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to find someone who knows what they're doing to convert these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them up at my web site which is under construction. Thanks!!! Dave --- Jesse Farmer <renku@fuse.net> wrote:
quoted 27 lines Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a> Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a > minuscule label. I was > wondering if any of the more business-savvy list > members might have any > advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones > are good to > contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? > > I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, > Majestic). I've looked at the > Dance Music Business Resource regarding > distribution, but it doesn't say > too much about how to approach distributors, or what > they are looking > for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases > should a label expect to > have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even > worth approaching a > distributor; should small labels look to sell > direct? > > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you > who've done > this. Thanks! -Jesse > > >
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2003-04-24 17:00David DowSo, obviously I need help... --- pixilated <pixilated@alum.dartmouth.org> wrote: > Copyrig
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So, obviously I need help... --- pixilated <pixilated@alum.dartmouth.org> wrote:
quoted 5 lines Copyright.> Copyright. > > > >
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2003-04-24 17:06EggyToastDavid Dow said: > Hello All, > > I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to > circula
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quoted 8 lines Hello All,> Hello All, > > I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to > circulate and I need to get them > copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to > find someone who knows what they're doing to convert > these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them > up at my web site which is under construction.
Copyright. And current copyright law makes any intellectual piece automatically copyrighted as soon as it is put into a tangible form. So all of my emails are automatically copyrighted to me, although I don't care to exercise my rights regarding them :D It probably wouldn't be bad to get your copyright registered, though. You basically just need to file at the closest copyright office, and then you put that copyright on the webpage or the album sleeves or whatever, and the date that they're released becomes the official copyright. You should also be able to register dates along with whatever you're producing. So, for now, put your stuff as "copyright: your name." with the date. When you get a registered copyright, feel free to use that. Contacting a copyright lawyer or the closest copyright office should give you more info, and let you plan what you want to do. regarding putting stuff up on the web, you *can* use stuff like real audio, but it's best if you just use a non-proprietary (in this context, something that can be played in multiple programs across multiple OS's) compression format, like MP3 or Ogg, and encode at either a low bitrate for the entire song, or a high bitrate and just a portion of the songs. Or if you'd like to provide tracks in finished form and not just as a sample, feel free to use a better bitrate and the whole song. if you don't want to come off as a total amateur, purchase your own webspace and use that. You'll thank yourself by having much more space and freedom, and your "customers" will thank you by not using a crappy free site. -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-24 17:13David DowThanks Derek, This is very helpful. Do you know of anyone who would do this conversion for
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Thanks Derek, This is very helpful. Do you know of anyone who would do this conversion for me? I am shopping for a computer but don't expect to buy for another 1-2 months. I already have my web space reserved at Taoconductor.com and pay for it monthly. I want to get the music up as soon as possible...I want at least 5-6 full tracks done soon. David --- EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com> wrote:
quoted 74 lines David Dow said:> David Dow said: > > Hello All, > > > > I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to > > circulate and I need to get them > > copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would > like to > > find someone who knows what they're doing to > convert > > these tracks to whatever format so that I can put > them > > up at my web site which is under construction. > > Copyright. > > And current copyright law makes any intellectual > piece automatically > copyrighted as soon as it is put into a tangible > form. So all of my > emails are automatically copyrighted to me, although > I don't care to > exercise my rights regarding them :D > > It probably wouldn't be bad to get your copyright > registered, though. > You basically just need to file at the closest > copyright office, and then > you put that copyright on the webpage or the album > sleeves or > whatever, and the date that they're released becomes > the official > copyright. You should also be able to register > dates along with > whatever you're producing. > > So, for now, put your stuff as "copyright: your > name." with the date. > When you get a registered copyright, feel free to > use that. Contacting a > copyright lawyer or the closest copyright office > should give you more > info, and let you plan what you want to do. > > regarding putting stuff up on the web, you *can* use > stuff like real > audio, but it's best if you just use a > non-proprietary (in this context, > something that can be played in multiple programs > across multiple > OS's) compression format, like MP3 or Ogg, and > encode at either a > low bitrate for the entire song, or a high bitrate > and just a portion of the > songs. Or if you'd like to provide tracks in > finished form and not just as > a sample, feel free to use a better bitrate and the > whole song. > > if you don't want to come off as a total amateur, > purchase your own > webspace and use that. You'll thank yourself by > having much more > space and freedom, and your "customers" will thank > you by not using > a crappy free site. > > -- > eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com > ------ > it's in your grocer's freezer > > > >
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2003-04-24 18:05EggyToastDavid Dow said: > Thanks Derek, > > This is very helpful. Do you know of anyone who would
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quoted 6 lines Thanks Derek,> Thanks Derek, > > This is very helpful. Do you know of anyone who would > do this conversion for me? I am shopping for a > computer but don't expect to buy for another 1-2 > months.
You must be writing from a public computer, then. Really, it's very easy to do -- there are plenty of free utilities on the web that'll allow you to convert music to MP3 or Ogg format. If you don't have a computer, it's best to just ask a friend. A professional place will charge way too much money. If you don't have any friends, you could probably bribe someone online for a small fee. I already have my web space reserved at
quoted 3 lines Taoconductor.com and pay for it monthly. I want to get> Taoconductor.com and pay for it monthly. I want to get > the music up as soon as possible...I want at least 5-6 > full tracks done soon.
Even older computers can convert things to mp3; it just takes a bit longer. The best (and fastest) way would simply be to find a friend with a computer and a cd-burner, take your cd over there, download something like cdex (www.cdex.n3.net), convert the files (won't take long for 6 tracks), and burn back to a CD. -- eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com ------ it's in your grocer's freezer --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-24 18:19David DowHi D- I am at my office and I have no sound card in this computer and can't install one as
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Hi D- I am at my office and I have no sound card in this computer and can't install one as it is for my day job and owned by the company...Thanks for the further explication...I think I've got it together now! DK --- EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com> wrote:
quoted 46 lines David Dow said:> David Dow said: > > Thanks Derek, > > > > This is very helpful. Do you know of anyone who > would > > do this conversion for me? I am shopping for a > > computer but don't expect to buy for another 1-2 > > months. > > You must be writing from a public computer, then. > Really, it's very > easy to do -- there are plenty of free utilities on > the web that'll allow you > to convert music to MP3 or Ogg format. If you don't > have a computer, > it's best to just ask a friend. A professional > place will charge way too > much money. If you don't have any friends, you > could probably bribe > someone online for a small fee. > > I already have my web space reserved at > > Taoconductor.com and pay for it monthly. I want to > get > > the music up as soon as possible...I want at least > 5-6 > > full tracks done soon. > > Even older computers can convert things to mp3; it > just takes a bit > longer. The best (and fastest) way would simply be > to find a friend > with a computer and a cd-burner, take your cd over > there, download > something like cdex (www.cdex.n3.net), convert the > files (won't take > long for 6 tracks), and burn back to a CD. > > -- > eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com > ------ > it's in your grocer's freezer > > > >
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2003-04-24 17:18dave_dunstanI've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a cd or tape and just
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I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed up, stash it away somewhere, that works too ... dave On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Dow wrote:
quoted 58 lines Hello All,> Hello All, > > I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to > circulate and I need to get them > copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to > find someone who knows what they're doing to convert > these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them > up at my web site which is under construction. > > Thanks!!! > > > Dave > --- Jesse Farmer <renku@fuse.net> wrote: > > Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a > > minuscule label. I was > > wondering if any of the more business-savvy list > > members might have any > > advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones > > are good to > > contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? > > > > I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, > > Majestic). I've looked at the > > Dance Music Business Resource regarding > > distribution, but it doesn't say > > too much about how to approach distributors, or what > > they are looking > > for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases > > should a label expect to > > have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even > > worth approaching a > > distributor; should small labels look to sell > > direct? > > > > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you > > who've done > > this. Thanks! -Jesse > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-04-24 17:15Tom ButcherThe stamped envelope idea has been out there for ages but it doesn't really afford you str
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The stamped envelope idea has been out there for ages but it doesn't really afford you strong protection for your work. If you do have to go to court, copyright ownership is stronger than a tape in an envelope. If you're in the US, all you have to do is fill out a form SR, send the copyright office your form as well as $30 and a cd, and you're done. You can bundle compositions together such that you only pay one fee for your collection of recordings. t
quoted 74 lines I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music> > I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music > written to a cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed > up, stash it away somewhere, that works too ... > > dave > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Dow wrote: > > > Hello All, > > > > I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to > > circulate and I need to get them > > copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to > > find someone who knows what they're doing to convert > > these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them > > up at my web site which is under construction. > > > > Thanks!!! > > > > > > Dave > > --- Jesse Farmer <renku@fuse.net> wrote: > > > Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a > > > minuscule label. I was > > > wondering if any of the more business-savvy list > > > members might have any > > > advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones > > > are good to > > > contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? > > > > > > I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, > > > Majestic). I've looked at the > > > Dance Music Business Resource regarding > > > distribution, but it doesn't say > > > too much about how to approach distributors, or what > > > they are looking > > > for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases > > > should a label expect to > > > have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even > > > worth approaching a > > > distributor; should small labels look to sell > > > direct? > > > > > > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you > > > who've done > > > this. Thanks! -Jesse > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2003-04-24 17:32atomly[dave_dunstan <dominodigital@dominodigital.com>] > I've heard if you snail mail yourself a
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quoted 3 lines I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a> I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a > cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed up, stash it away > somewhere, that works too ...
But it's just as easy to download this PDF: http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formsri.pdf and mail it in with a copy of your music. It even has instructions on the form. -- :: atomly :: [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ send an e-mail to atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com info and updates ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2003-04-24 17:23David DowCool...Thanks! --- atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote: > [dave_dunstan <dominodigital@domino
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Cool...Thanks! --- atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:
quoted 25 lines [dave_dunstan <dominodigital@dominodigital.com>]> [dave_dunstan <dominodigital@dominodigital.com>] > > I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of > the music written to a > > cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed up, > stash it away > > somewhere, that works too ... > > But it's just as easy to download this PDF: > > http://www.copyright.gov/forms/formsri.pdf > > and mail it in with a copy of your music. It even > has instructions on > the form. > > -- > :: atomly :: > > [ atomly@atomly.com : www.atomly.com ... > [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : > 312.804.5389 ... > [ send an e-mail to atomly-news-subscribe@atomly.com > info and updates ... > >
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2003-04-24 17:57EggyToastOnly in a "your word against theirs" case. Generally, it's only a good option if something
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Only in a "your word against theirs" case. Generally, it's only a good option if something comes up prior to getting a chance to apply for a registered copyright. A postmark is evidence, but it's not tamper proof. But when faced with no other choice, it's better than nothing at all (especially if you end up in court against someone with nothing at all). dave_dunstan said:
quoted 73 lines I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a> > I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a > cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed up, stash it away > somewhere, that works too ... > > dave > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Dow wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to >> circulate and I need to get them >> copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to >> find someone who knows what they're doing to convert >> these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them >> up at my web site which is under construction. >> >> Thanks!!! >> >> >> Dave >> --- Jesse Farmer <renku@fuse.net> wrote: >> > Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a >> > minuscule label. I was >> > wondering if any of the more business-savvy list >> > members might have any >> > advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones >> > are good to >> > contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? >> > >> > I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, >> > Majestic). I've looked at the >> > Dance Music Business Resource regarding >> > distribution, but it doesn't say >> > too much about how to approach distributors, or what >> > they are looking >> > for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases >> > should a label expect to >> > have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even >> > worth approaching a >> > distributor; should small labels look to sell >> > direct? >> > >> > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you >> > who've done >> > this. Thanks! -Jesse >> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: >> > idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >> http://search.yahoo.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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2003-04-24 20:12nethedCopyright laws are different in every country. However, the general rule is once you have
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Thu, 24 Apr 2003 21:12:12 +0100
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Re: [idm] Copywrite & Start up music business advice
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Re: [idm] Copywrite
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Copyright laws are different in every country. However, the general rule is once you have created a work in some tangible form then you have copyright in that work In the UK owners of a copyright have the following rights - pay attention - this is important: 1) the right to copy the work 2) to issue copies of the work to the public 3) to perform show or play the work in public 4) to broadcast the work or include it in a cable programme service 5) to make an adaptation of the work ot to do any of the above in relation to an adapttation. The act does not confer a positive right in the copyright owner to do these acts, because he himself may find that his work is derivative and has infringed somebody elses copyright. Rather, it gives the copyright owner the right to stop others infringing his copyright. Not all categories of copyright works carry the same exclusive rights, ie sound recordings, dramatic works, literary works, films etc. For a simple explanation of UK copyright law - check http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/onemusic - when you get to this site look into the Business Section - everything you need to know to release a record in the UK and protect yourself under copyright law is there. By the way, if you want to get a good idea of how distribution and anything else works in the UK - the ONE MUSIC site has it all. In the UK you can do the mail yourself the work recorded delivery and it would be considered proof in an infringement case. In the US, under the Copyright Act, there is a registration procedure you need to follow and file with the copyright office. Stick US Copyright Law into google and you will find more than you need to know. I'm not a law drop out - I have a law degree from USF, I went to The Berkman Center for Internet Law at Harvard last summer and spent eight weeks intensively studying copyright law in relation to the internet. I also teach this one afternoon a week to music and technology students at a UK university. Do you all know what a "derivative work" is? That means you sampled someone elses work and put it into your work - no matter how much you twisted the drum loops from someone else work - you still used their work. If you are making mulitple demos and sending them around to places its a good idea to put (c) Your Name, and the year on everything. Of course, it wont stop people from uploading your work onto file sharing sites, or even sampling your work without permission but at least it will put people on notice that you have some under standing that the work is yours. And although I dont work for Donald Passman or have any vested interest in helping him sell his books because he's already very well off - its absolutely imperative for anyone whose in the music business to get and read his book Everything You Need to Know About The Music Business - there is a UK edition which compares UK and US law. You can pick this up at amazon. CAVEAT Passmans book hasnt been updated since 2000 and barely covers the internet - If you want to pick up a more recent book with lots of ins and outs of the American Music Business - I urge you to get Peter M Thall's book "WHAT THEY'LL NEVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE MUSIC BUSINESS".... This is naturally written from a musicians lawyers point of view but there are excellent tips for start ups and worth the $20. At 1:57 pm -0400 24/4/03, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 94 lines Only in a "your word against theirs" case.>Only in a "your word against theirs" case. > >Generally, it's only a good option if something comes up prior to >getting a chance to apply for a registered copyright. A postmark is >evidence, but it's not tamper proof. But when faced with no other >choice, it's better than nothing at all (especially if you end up in court >against someone with nothing at all). > >dave_dunstan said: >> >> I've heard if you snail mail yourself a copy of the music written to a >> cd or tape and just keep the envelope sealed up, stash it away >> somewhere, that works too ... > > >> dave >> >> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, David Dow wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I have about 15-20 tracks that I am starting to >>> circulate and I need to get them >>> copywritten...copywrited? Anyhew, I also would like to >>> find someone who knows what they're doing to convert >>> these tracks to whatever format so that I can put them >>> up at my web site which is under construction. >>> >>> Thanks!!! >>> >>> >>> Dave >>> --- Jesse Farmer <renku@fuse.net> wrote: >>> > Like everyone else it seems, I'm trying to start a >>> > minuscule label. I was >>> > wondering if any of the more business-savvy list >>> > members might have any >>> > advice on how to approach distributors? Which ones >>> > are good to >>> > contact? Which ones are distributing IDM labels? >>> > >>> > I know some of the players (Watts, Unique, >>> > Majestic). I've looked at the >>> > Dance Music Business Resource regarding >>> > distribution, but it doesn't say >>> > too much about how to approach distributors, or what >>> > they are looking >>> > for. Vinyl or CD releases? How many releases >>> > should a label expect to >>> > have in its immediate catalogue? Or is it even >>> > worth approaching a >>> > distributor; should small labels look to sell >>> > direct? >>> > >>> > I'd really appreciate any advice from some of you >>> > who've done >>> > this. Thanks! -Jesse >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> > For additional commands, e-mail: >>> > idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> > >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo >>> http://search.yahoo.com >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >-- >eggytoast.com - eggtastic.com >------ >it's in your grocer's freezer > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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